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Topic: Do you plan to register your guns?
willowdraga Joined Sat 10/13/12 Posts: 957	Thu 01/10/13 09:58 AM
Oh I see, Bush wants a full and utter back to grade school break down of the fact that 200 years ago things were much different than they are today. So naturally things that applied then will not apply now So some of us, have to take our thinking outside the box of what a 200 year old man would do today and make the changes to make it right for today. Today. Yea. Again, you are failing to address the contradiction. You use a phone right? Do you have free speech while using it? Does it not apply because the founding fathers at the time never intended, by nature of never having been in a position to imagine the tech, so the tech is not covered by the right? See, when you consistently apply logic and it leads to absurd results it shows you the logic is faulty. What is even more interesting is that no supreme court ruling has EVER agreed with you. I imagine that logic is better understood by them . . . The contradiction you create here has absolutely no bearing on the fact the 2nd amendment no longer applies to today. Regardless to how you want to spin it. So until it has bearing there is nothing to address is there?

willowdraga Joined Sat 10/13/12 Posts: 957	Thu 01/10/13 10:00 AM
Not, because I am not a lunatic.... I cannot take my mind back to a less intelligent point of being so I can entertain barbaric stupidity...Sorry I WILL continue to fight for sanity to prevail eventually in this country. RIIIIIGHT, cause its totally sane to write down on a piece of paper that it is illegal to kill, and expect that to fix the killing problem! But it is totally insane to think that killing the bad guy stops him killing innocents! Aw but you might be the bad guy with your legal gun who wants everyone to think you are the good guy with your legal gun. Bad guy is subjective.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Thu 01/10/13 10:01 AM
Considering the 2nd amendment was written when it took 15 minutes to load a weapon and the military had the same weapons as the people, it doesn't even apply today. But logic usually doesn't work well for those who are stuck mentally at a certain place they were taught to be, eh? It isn't the government who is fighting about this it is citizens like me sending mail to the whitehouse, petitions, contacting local government, etc... I will not stop until something is done that does not include armed teachers and military at our schools. Things will be done that will not include more guns. I guess you haven't yet figured out that you live in a republic eh? Let me explain the difference between a republic and a democracy... In a democracy, you have what is called the tyranny of the majority. The majority can vote away the rights of the minority. (It doesn't mean they have lost their rights, only that their rights aren't recognized...That's why democracy is called "mob rule" and the tyranny of the majority. In a republic, the RULE OF LAW is the highest rule and the votes of millions can't take away a single right of a single individual. (e.g.)...A democracy is two cannibals and a vegetarian voting on dinner... ...A republic is the cannibals going hungry if they only eat people. And? I and others will still fight for the children not to be slaughtered in less than one minute in their school in this country, call it what you want. There will not be armed teachers and there will not be military guards at the schools to make sure our children can live past 6. sooooo,what will be then? More sneering by the left,and more slaughter in Gunfree,errm,let me make that WEAPONS-Free Zones? You really think it will stop? Did it stop in Rwanda? Nope,it went on merrily with Clubs and Machetes!

JustDukkyMkII Joined Fri 11/12/10 Posts: 1462	Thu 01/10/13 10:03 AM
...earth to willowdraga earth to willowdraga... I'm afraid he isn't receiving the transmissions. His logic gates appear to be jammed and he can hear nothing outside of the disordered static of his own brain. He's caught in a loop of illogical circular "reasoning"...might even say he's "loopy" We don't want a man like this wandering the streets where he might pose a danger to self or others. It is probably best that he be brought to a facility where he can receive proper care & treatment. As far as I know, most mental health facilities are gun free zones, so he should be safe there.

Bushidobillyclub Joined Fri 05/11/07 Posts: 5689	Thu 01/10/13 10:03 AM
Oh I see, Bush wants a full and utter back to grade school break down of the fact that 200 years ago things were much different than they are today. So naturally things that applied then will not apply now So some of us, have to take our thinking outside the box of what a 200 year old man would do today and make the changes to make it right for today. Today. Yea. Again, you are failing to address the contradiction. You use a phone right? Do you have free speech while using it? Does it not apply because the founding fathers at the time never intended, by nature of never having been in a position to imagine the tech, so the tech is not covered by the right? See, when you consistently apply logic and it leads to absurd results it shows you the logic is faulty. What is even more interesting is that no supreme court ruling has EVER agreed with you. I imagine that logic is better understood by them . . . The contradiction you create here has absolutely no bearing on the fact the 2nd amendment no longer applies to today. Regardless to how you want to spin it. So until it has bearing there is nothing to address is there? RIIIGHT cause its ok to say that future technology is covered by one amendment and not another arbitrarily with nothing from the actual document or even other historical documents to support such a conclusion!!!!!!!!!

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Thu 01/10/13 10:13 AM
Oh I see, Bush wants a full and utter back to grade school break down of the fact that 200 years ago things were much different than they are today. So naturally things that applied then will not apply now So some of us, have to take our thinking outside the box of what a 200 year old man would do today and make the changes to make it right for today. Today. Yea. Again, you are failing to address the contradiction. You use a phone right? Do you have free speech while using it? Does it not apply because the founding fathers at the time never intended, by nature of never having been in a position to imagine the tech, so the tech is not covered by the right? See, when you consistently apply logic and it leads to absurd results it shows you the logic is faulty. What is even more interesting is that no supreme court ruling has EVER agreed with you. I imagine that logic is better understood by them . . . The contradiction you create here has absolutely no bearing on the fact the 2nd amendment no longer applies to today. Regardless to how you want to spin it. So until it has bearing there is nothing to address is there? you been posting the Argument about the Irrelevance of the 2nd Amendment for time now! Would you please post your proofs why it is irrelevant,if you can? Instead of trying to paint every Gunowner as an Idiot!

AndyBgood Joined Thu 12/25/08 Posts: 12437	Thu 01/10/13 10:14 AM
Hug your guns, they are a cold false security that will in the end provide no comfort to you. I can hurt/kill a gun toter just as easily as I can hurt a non gun toter, all I have to do is outsmart them... , which is pretty easy to do because they feel falsely secure with their gun... The government is well equipped against millions of gun toters, so no protection there. The only solace for the gun crazy gun toter is they can take their own life with their own gun before someone else gets them. You are such a self deluded IDIOT spewing such willful ignorance if you don't mind me saying! I can kill ANY person with crap lying around on hand. I can kill with my bare hands! What is your point? I would never show up at a gun fight with a knife alone! No the government is not ready to address million of gun toting citizens. The one thing they fear is giving us citizens a good reason to unite and organize against them. While we are armed we are a credible threat to power grabs. You just refuse to see that. You just want to focus your blame on a tool, not the issue itself. NOTE THESE WORDS CAREFULLY: You do not cure a disease by trying to cure the symptoms! You must go after the cause of the disease! GUNS LIKE ANY TOOL ARE ONLY A SYMPTOM OF THE REAL DISEASE! Likewise you have no idea what you are saying. MOST CRAZY PEOPLE WOULD RATHER SUICIDE BY COP THAN TAKE THEIR OWN LIFE! That is a statistical fact. You know you have been watching FAR too much Dr. Who.. Even he has armed people do his dirty work WITH GUNS when he himself carries no such weapon. But then again his TARDIS has its own weapons and that "Sonic Screwdriver" of his has been used to kill in several episodes before, new and old. You may be able to out think a gun but you sure in the hell cannot outrun its projectiles! Likewise I posted an example of the utilitarian use of a gun in Alaska and I bet you flat ignored it. Frankly turning to see a bear 20 feet from you in full charge and snapping off a panic shot and killing a bear is mathematically impossible by all rights yet here we are with proof a gun can indeed save lives when less than seconds count. A bear can close 100 feet in under 5 second! A bear 20 feet away in full charge is basically ON YOU ALREADY! Like I said, go to Alaska and take in its beauty unarmed. I bet you die the first day you go. You will think bear mace will stop a starving 1000 pound bear. All you will do is make his meal spicy! Your ignorance is not astounding, just annoying! There are places I refuse to go unarmed at all. Even hiking in the desert I carry a 12 gauge. Coyotes will take humans on in large enough numbers. But Javalinas, A.K.A. Peccary Pigs, A.K.A. Skunk Pigs are REALLY REALLY dangerous! They are not exactly classified as man eaters but are known to tackle and kill humans and hunt in NUMBERS! I have had to run for my life from 20 of them before all becasue of a dickhead who had to shoot and wound the one we seen under a bush! When it squealed it was like the desert suddenly came to life! At least when I was running from them I did not drop my gun! I never even got a shot off. I was more ready to use my gun as a club becasue of the number of pigs chasing me. And I will tell you they are faster than a human. We just can climb like monkeys when motivated. That did not mean the little bastards didn't try to find a way up hill to cut us off. They almost did. If anything the little bastards proved to me they are capable of tactical thinking. They were out to get us all because a kid who was supposed to be more responsible than me took a stupid shot at an animal and damn near got us both killed. If I would have had a shotgun vs. a .22 it would have been a different situation but even still 5 shots vs. 20? I would have been 15 rounds short of being able to save myself from a mauling at the hands of a pack of 25 pound pissed off desert mini-pigs, ASSUMING I WAS ABLE TO KILL ONE PIG WITH EACH SHOT!!! Running for my life instead of standing my ground was the most intelligent thing to do at that time even with me being armed with a 15 shot .22 rifle! There is a justification for High Capacity whether or not you like the idea! You talk some good shyte but what have you got to back it? So here we are, blame the tool, or blame its wielder? You blame the tool!

galendgirl Joined Sun 07/06/08 Posts: 24728	Thu 01/10/13 10:15 AM
Unless you have inherited weapons, casual purchase or illegally gotten weapons...most of us with guns HAVE registered guns. Even from gun shows - not just dealers/retailers. What do you think they do with that paperwork/background check stuff when you go to make a purchase?

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Thu 01/10/13 10:15 AM Edited by Conrad_73 on Thu 01/10/13 10:17 AM
Oh I see, Bush wants a full and utter back to grade school break down of the fact that 200 years ago things were much different than they are today. So naturally things that applied then will not apply now So some of us, have to take our thinking outside the box of what a 200 year old man would do today and make the changes to make it right for today. Today. Yea. Again, you are failing to address the contradiction. You use a phone right? Do you have free speech while using it? Does it not apply because the founding fathers at the time never intended, by nature of never having been in a position to imagine the tech, so the tech is not covered by the right? See, when you consistently apply logic and it leads to absurd results it shows you the logic is faulty. What is even more interesting is that no supreme court ruling has EVER agreed with you. I imagine that logic is better understood by them . . . The contradiction you create here has absolutely no bearing on the fact the 2nd amendment no longer applies to today. Regardless to how you want to spin it. So until it has bearing there is nothing to address is there? well,the First apparently doesn't apply neither,owing to the rapid advances in Media-Technology! Sorry to have to break it to you,but the 2nd Amendment is the Guaranty of the First Amendment!

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Thu 01/10/13 10:31 AM
only the Bait one!

adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Thu 01/10/13 10:37 AM
Hey you can not live up to your responsibility to maintain your freedom as forefathers outlined in the declaration of Independence unless you have the weapons the govt will use against you i don't think the united states will nuke the united states We don't have to nuke ourselves. Just determine the "insurgents" are not patriotic and might be lead by a psycho that means harm to the other members of this country and a drone strike would do. I am sure they will not draw it out like Waco. Again nukes have nothing to do with this conversation. You are out in lala land, earth to willowdraga earth to willowdraga, we are talking about guns, the second amendment and you said that the intention of the founding fathers was for the arms of the time. I asked specific questions that you have failed to even come close to acknowledging. So do I need to repeat it so you apply it or.... No where in this thread have you addressed the contradiction I presented. are you saying a nuke is not an armament nukes are arms used in defense of the country you dont believe me ask japan

adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Thu 01/10/13 10:39 AM
Hug your guns, they are a cold false security that will in the end provide no comfort to you. I can hurt/kill a gun toter just as easily as I can hurt a non gun toter, all I have to do is outsmart them... , which is pretty easy to do because they feel falsely secure with their gun... The government is well equipped against millions of gun toters, so no protection there. The only solace for the gun crazy gun toter is they can take their own life with their own gun before someone else gets them. gun control is a cold false security just ask 1930's germans

Bushidobillyclub Joined Fri 05/11/07 Posts: 5689	Thu 01/10/13 11:15 AM Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Thu 01/10/13 11:18 AM
Unless you have inherited weapons, casual purchase or illegally gotten weapons...most of us with guns HAVE registered guns. Even from gun shows - not just dealers/retailers. What do you think they do with that paperwork/background check stuff when you go to make a purchase? The forms you submit stay with the dealer. The call ins are not tracked. If you wanted to sell me a gun you could, and would have no obligation to tell anyone you had done so. ie, that is not registration. are you saying a nuke is not an armament nukes are arms used in defense of the country you dont believe me ask japan Thank you for asking! The title of the thread is do you plan to register your guns, a nuke is not a gun. When the arguments start to steer away from guns, into bombs the topic has shifted. I also do not think it helps when debating civil rights. Just my .02

AndyBgood Joined Thu 12/25/08 Posts: 12437	Thu 01/10/13 11:39 AM
If I made a Laser that could shoot a plane down from ten miles away I would have broken a hoard of laws for not filing paperwork and getting permits to do said research. The same goes with a nuke. Or any other energy or particle weapon for that matter. If you came up with a brief case EMP generator and set it off near a power plant you could cut off power. Just having that device would be such a long list of felonies! Imagine the disaster if an EMP went off near a Nuclear Power Plant? Shut it down like that and what have you got? Think Japan except they were hit by an Earthquake. Now let us talk firepower here. I cannot see the justification for citizens to possess PRG, Mortars, Bazookas, Flamethrowers except some people are historians at heart. There are people with working tanks from WWI and WWII. John Wayne built a mine sweeper int a yacht! God knows some of the nutty things I made as an experiment like rocket launchers and potato guns (SPUDZOOKA). I guarantee if I nailed a person not wearing body armor with a spud flying 250 mph you will learn that spuds HURT LIKE HELL FLYING THAT FAST! BONE BREAKING! A good half pound Idaho Russet will still knock a man off of his feet. It is all a matter of responsibility. Personally I would love to be able to say, yeah, I can afford to feed my 20mm cannon and it is hella fun to shoot stuff with! i got to fire a Ma Deuce .50. Behind the twin handles of that baby you feel like EFFING GOD! Tanks are fun to ride in as well but bumpy! but I would love, LOVE to own a retired A-10 Warthog to trick fly in! I bet that thing stripped and balanced properly would be an Aerobatic dream! I could go Canyon Blasting in one of those! Hell, Imagine being the {LUCKY LUCKY LUCKY} bastard who owns Thunder City in S Africa and gets to fly his choice of military war bird? The problem I have is I love and Appreciate Performance. And the Military does so as well! AS well as robustness USUALLY! It is easier to buy a retired military jet than it is to buy a machine gun or cannon.

AndyBgood Joined Thu 12/25/08 Posts: 12437	Thu 01/10/13 11:46 AM
Hug your guns, they are a cold false security that will in the end provide no comfort to you. I can hurt/kill a gun toter just as easily as I can hurt a non gun toter, all I have to do is outsmart them... , which is pretty easy to do because they feel falsely secure with their gun... The government is well equipped against millions of gun toters, so no protection there. The only solace for the gun crazy gun toter is they can take their own life with their own gun before someone else gets them. You are such a self deluded IDIOT spewing such willful ignorance if you don't mind me saying! I can kill ANY person with crap lying around on hand. I can kill with my bare hands! What is your point? I would never show up at a gun fight with a knife alone! No the government is not ready to address million of gun toting citizens. The one thing they fear is giving us citizens a good reason to unite and organize against them. While we are armed we are a credible threat to power grabs. You just refuse to see that. You just want to focus your blame on a tool, not the issue itself. NOTE THESE WORDS CAREFULLY: You do not cure a disease by trying to cure the symptoms! You must go after the cause of the disease! GUNS LIKE ANY TOOL ARE ONLY A SYMPTOM OF THE REAL DISEASE! Likewise you have no idea what you are saying. MOST CRAZY PEOPLE WOULD RATHER SUICIDE BY COP THAN TAKE THEIR OWN LIFE! That is a statistical fact. You know you have been watching FAR too much Dr. Who.. Even he has armed people do his dirty work WITH GUNS when he himself carries no such weapon. But then again his TARDIS has its own weapons and that "Sonic Screwdriver" of his has been used to kill in several episodes before, new and old. You may be able to out think a gun but you sure in the hell cannot outrun its projectiles! Likewise I posted an example of the utilitarian use of a gun in Alaska and I bet you flat ignored it. Frankly turning to see a bear 20 feet from you in full charge and snapping off a panic shot and killing a bear is mathematically impossible by all rights yet here we are with proof a gun can indeed save lives when less than seconds count. A bear can close 100 feet in under 5 second! A bear 20 feet away in full charge is basically ON YOU ALREADY! Like I said, go to Alaska and take in its beauty unarmed. I bet you die the first day you go. You will think bear mace will stop a starving 1000 pound bear. All you will do is make his meal spicy! Your ignorance is not astounding, just annoying! There are places I refuse to go unarmed at all. Even hiking in the desert I carry a 12 gauge. Coyotes will take humans on in large enough numbers. But Javalinas, A.K.A. Peccary Pigs, A.K.A. Skunk Pigs are REALLY REALLY dangerous! They are not exactly classified as man eaters but are known to tackle and kill humans and hunt in NUMBERS! I have had to run for my life from 20 of them before all becasue of a dickhead who had to shoot and wound the one we seen under a bush! When it squealed it was like the desert suddenly came to life! At least when I was running from them I did not drop my gun! I never even got a shot off. I was more ready to use my gun as a club becasue of the number of pigs chasing me. And I will tell you they are faster than a human. We just can climb like monkeys when motivated. That did not mean the little bastards didn't try to find a way up hill to cut us off. They almost did. If anything the little bastards proved to me they are capable of tactical thinking. They were out to get us all because a kid who was supposed to be more responsible than me took a stupid shot at an animal and damn near got us both killed. If I would have had a shotgun vs. a .22 it would have been a different situation but even still 5 shots vs. 20? I would have been 15 rounds short of being able to save myself from a mauling at the hands of a pack of 25 pound pissed off desert mini-pigs, ASSUMING I WAS ABLE TO KILL ONE PIG WITH EACH SHOT!!! Running for my life instead of standing my ground was the most intelligent thing to do at that time even with me being armed with a 15 shot .22 rifle! There is a justification for High Capacity whether or not you like the idea! You talk some good shyte but what have you got to back it? So here we are, blame the tool, or blame its wielder? You blame the tool! You know I edited this post to exclude the attack in it and why I am not seeing the edited version of this I am stunned and actually pretty ticked off since I had to deal with a personal attack the way the first sentence is written. This is the amended first sentence... You are deluding yourself to believe such willful ignorance if you don't mind me saying. Its more PC but having read your Avatar's Meme message I think I will also add, Who the hell are you to assume I am not responsible? So now you are Judge, Jury, and have high hopes to be executioner some day? -------------------------------------There is one animal funnier ------------------------------than a Llama... -------------------------------------We call em Kangaroos! -------------------------------- ----------

AndyBgood Joined Thu 12/25/08 Posts: 12437	Thu 01/10/13 11:49 AM
Oh I see, Bush wants a full and utter back to grade school break down of the fact that 200 years ago things were much different than they are today. So naturally things that applied then will not apply now So some of us, have to take our thinking outside the box of what a 200 year old man would do today and make the changes to make it right for today. Today. Yea. Again, you are failing to address the contradiction. You use a phone right? Do you have free speech while using it? Does it not apply because the founding fathers at the time never intended, by nature of never having been in a position to imagine the tech, so the tech is not covered by the right? See, when you consistently apply logic and it leads to absurd results it shows you the logic is faulty. What is even more interesting is that no supreme court ruling has EVER agreed with you. I imagine that logic is better understood by them . . . The contradiction you create here has absolutely no bearing on the fact the 2nd amendment no longer applies to today. Regardless to how you want to spin it. So until it has bearing there is nothing to address is there? WOW! If I ever read a grand assumption I have read it here and now! You are not a government tool are you? Doesn't apply today? Because YOU THINK SO? So we can just make changes to our Bill of Rights as we see fit too? Shall we all take a good healthy crap on the Magna Carta as well?

AndyBgood Joined Thu 12/25/08 Posts: 12437	Thu 01/10/13 11:49 AM Edited by AndyBgood on Thu 01/10/13 11:50 AM
Oh I see, Bush wants a full and utter back to grade school break down of the fact that 200 years ago things were much different than they are today. So naturally things that applied then will not apply now So some of us, have to take our thinking outside the box of what a 200 year old man would do today and make the changes to make it right for today. Today. Yea. Again, you are failing to address the contradiction. You use a phone right? Do you have free speech while using it? Does it not apply because the founding fathers at the time never intended, by nature of never having been in a position to imagine the tech, so the tech is not covered by the right? See, when you consistently apply logic and it leads to absurd results it shows you the logic is faulty. What is even more interesting is that no supreme court ruling has EVER agreed with you. I imagine that logic is better understood by them . . . The contradiction you create here has absolutely no bearing on the fact the 2nd amendment no longer applies to today. Regardless to how you want to spin it. So until it has bearing there is nothing to address is there? OOPS! ONe Man, and DouBLe poSt! sOrRY! Never happen again... I promise!

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Thu 01/10/13 11:55 AM
I would like to see, as well as others here, some names of those citizen lobby groups that are said to be active in disarming Americans. Who wants to bet that claim is pure BS to da' max.

AndyBgood Joined Thu 12/25/08 Posts: 12437	Thu 01/10/13 11:57 AM
Considering the 2nd amendment was written when it took 15 minutes to load a weapon and the military had the same weapons as the people, it doesn't even apply today. But logic usually doesn't work well for those who are stuck mentally at a certain place they were taught to be, eh? It isn't the government who is fighting about this it is citizens like me sending mail to the whitehouse, petitions, contacting local government, etc... I will not stop until something is done that does not include armed teachers and military at our schools. Things will be done that will not include more guns. I guess you haven't yet figured out that you live in a republic eh? Let me explain the difference between a republic and a democracy... In a democracy, you have what is called the tyranny of the majority. The majority can vote away the rights of the minority. (It doesn't mean they have lost their rights, only that their rights aren't recognized...That's why democracy is called "mob rule" and the tyranny of the majority. In a republic, the RULE OF LAW is the highest rule and the votes of millions can't take away a single right of a single individual. (e.g.)...A democracy is two cannibals and a vegetarian voting on dinner... ...A republic is the cannibals going hungry if they only eat people. And? I and others will still fight for the children not to be slaughtered in less than one minute in their school in this country, call it what you want. There will not be armed teachers and there will not be military guards at the schools to make sure our children can live past 6. sooooo,what will be then? More sneering by the left,and more slaughter in Gunfree,errm,let me make that WEAPONS-Free Zones? You really think it will stop? Did it stop in Rwanda? Nope,it went on merrily with Clubs and Machetes! Please don't be mad at me but for some reason i cannot help but hear that damn Weebles Stuff loop "Badger Badger" looking at this picture. The Secret Service men are the Badgers and Obama is the Snake. The Limo is the mushroom! just in case I will leave it up to you to see what I mean... http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/badgers be careful, this will stick in your head! I warned you!

JustDukkyMkII Joined Fri 11/12/10 Posts: 1462	Thu 01/10/13 12:05 PM
I would like to see, as well as others here, some names of those citizen lobby groups that are said to be active in disarming Americans. Who wants to bet that claim is pure BS to da' max. NIxon used to call these ghosts of lobby groups "the Silent Majority"...I'd say that was wishful thinking on his part...(unless he drank too many double bourbons and thought the pink elephants could vote).