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control that may work if you commit a felony crime with gun automatic 25 years no parole possible if you do or have an issue that makes you unable to pass a background check you are put on a national registry keeping guns away from law biding citizens does nothing to curb crime but does make crime less hazardous for the criminal |
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Are people gong to register their guns? Judging by the protests, I think we have our answer.
Gunning for no change: Thousands of armed protestors gather at state capitols in pro-assault rifle rallies across the country http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2265174/Gunning-change-Thousands-armed-protestors-gather-state-capitols-pro-assault-rifle-rallies-country.html 
Add one of these to Woody Guthrie's guitar and I think you have a winning combination. Remember..."This land is YOUR land!" |
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Conrad_73
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The Best Comeback Line Ever
Marine Corp's General Reinwald was interviewed on the radio the other day and you have to read his reply to the lady who interviewed him concerning guns and children. Regardless of how you feel about gun laws you gotta love this!!!! This is one of the best comeback lines of all time. It is a portion of National Public Radio (NPR) interview between a female broadcaster and US Marine Corps General Reinwald who was about to sponsor a Boy Scout Troop visiting his military installation. FEMALE INTERVIEWER: So, General Reinwald, what things are you going to teach these young boys when they visit your base? GENERAL REINWALD: We're going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery, and shooting. FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible, isn't it? GENERAL REINWALD: I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the rifle range. FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children? GENERAL REINWALD: I don't see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle discipline before they even touch a firearm. FEMALE INTERVIEWER: But you're equipping them to become violent killers. GENERAL REINWALD: Well, Ma'am, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not one, are you? The radio went silent and the interview ended. You gotta love the Marines! In my growing up days,our Elders and Teachers taught us proper Firearms-Procedure! |
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well,isn't this special?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQOykWLlcmw Cop goes crazy over a peaceful guy that obviously wasn't a threat. DEPUTY: "I'LL SHOOT YOU IN THE F***ING BACK!" |
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No one can dispute the fact that if guns were really a deterrent the US would have the smallest crime rate in the world. No criminal here knows whether there is a gun or not when they commit their crimes. So they obviously do it without knowing if there is a gun or not. So guns are no deterrent to crime. It appears those who fear guns the most are the ones who have them because they see the false power of having them? I wonder how many other differences other countries, such as those in Europe have from the U.S... To assume that base on this one difference would be a fallacy as Mexico doesn't allow civilians to have guns yet they have a higher homicide rate, and Switzerland requires (or strongly encourages) military issued assault rifles be kept in the closet of every household (this is linked to military service). The Swiss have a much lower homicide rates than most countries. Now that we are on the subject... In the U.S. Clinton banned assault rifles, yet, Columbine occurred smack dab in the middle of this ban. And furthermore gun violence, overall, continued to decline after the ban was lifted... This can't help but make you wonder... As with Washington D.C. who lifted its strict gun laws without a climb in gun violence. Another example would be Chicago, Illinois. They have the strictest gun laws in the country, yet the highest crime rate. Given this information how can one conclude that restricting firearms would have any impact on the U.S. and its crime rates? In fact, gun laws seem to have virtually no impact on crime, which is unfortunate for both sides of the debate. (Although making them illegal does help cartels make a few extra bucks.) So why are we not pursuing mental healthcare as a better alternative method of preventing tragedies? This would do nothing but benefit everyone, would it not? That being said... I understand your frustration with those who believe they are untouchable because they have a firearm. However, people do fear losing them as it does put them at a disadvantage to anyone still wielding the said firearm (which is anyone with the political pull to still own one or career criminal who purchases one on the black market). Power is so subjective in this argument as, in a way, it would give a 90 lb woman more "power" to defend herself against a 250 lb man under certain circumstances. Again, i point out, UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, as nothing is, or ever will be, fool proof. Which leads me to question... You say the government has no fear of guns because they have bigger and more powerful ones. But if guns don't make you more powerful then how did they achieve this status? Oh what a relief your posts are. 
Mental Health is a big issue and for some reason an impossible issue to get them to pay any attention to. I have fought for more mental health screenings and care since the 90s when I became aware of the massive lack in this country. So we are in perfect agreement there and maybe we can get the gun advocates to work for it too and then maybe it will get done. Gun ownership should have extensive mental health checks regularly, it would help with the murder suicides and stuff of that nature. Ok, the issue with the weapon is that holstered with the safety on it is almost no protection unless someone announces they are about to attack you and gives you time to unholster it and unsafety it, right? In order for a gun to be the "protection" the NRA and gun fanatics claim it to be, it would have to be in your hand, with the safety off and finger on the trigger when the threat happens, like in your scenerio with the 90 pound women. I have had the joy of being attacked in domestic violence situations and in stranger situations, a gun would not have made it better for me as it was too fast and too close for the gun to have been effective. My mind and body prevented my death possibly on a few occasions. The gun would have been stolen from me and used probably to commit some terrible crime elsewhere if not on me. Which I am not afraid of death so to me the worst would be someone else being killed by my weapon which I was stupid enough to let get stolen..... 
As to the power of the gun. The folly is the "gun balls", gun craziness..... There are gun owners out there and I hope they are the majority because I am not anti gun, I am anti gun crazy, who have the weapon for an extreme situation that they know will never happen and they pay that weapon no mind other than to keep it safe and make sure no one steals it or no kids get it. They realize it will not help them in the case of a house break in most likely because it is locked away safely for the kids sake. These gun owners take all non gun precautions to make sure they are safe and their families are safe. They live as if they don't even have a gun and don't need for anyone to know they have a gun except the proper authorities. I support these gun owners and that is why I am not anti gun. Because I believe these are the closest to sanity you get with a gun. The government has gone beyond the firepower of a gun, wouldn't you say? Just their intelligence, surveillance, covert possibility, etc... alone make a mere gun useless against it, right? But in the scenario of "my gun is bigger than your gun", they win. So that makes them more powerful. Smarter can out beat a gun every time. Even when faced with our government. Look at the successful attacks on us. It wasn't a gun that did it. Hey, its like I say, if you don't like us owning guns here move to a country that does not allow gun ownership. Quit whining bout how bad guns are when it is bad people with guns is the problem. NOT THE GUNS THEMSELVES! I doubt you last a year in Mexico! And the further south you go the less time I would bet you have. Whine about guns to a criminal some time. All I see here is a verbose justification of how GUNS are bad and not the people carrying them. So with that I will let this hot air pass much like a wet chili fart!!! |
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control that may work if you commit a felony crime with gun automatic 25 years no parole possible if you do or have an issue that makes you unable to pass a background check you are put on a national registry keeping guns away from law biding citizens does nothing to curb crime but does make crime less hazardous for the criminal we have had that law in Texas for about ten years now... seems to work... |
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But maybe it might stop a taught by his mother gun crazy kid from mowing down the whole kindergarten class down the street. Haven't you heard?...The rumour mill has it that that was just a setup by your sweet president to ensure he gets to be the only gun crazy in the country. By who the NRA who is afraid they aren't going to be able to sell enough guns and make their favorite investors more money? Or the gun crazies who are afraid he is really going to take their guns away? President Obama is not and has never been hard enough on guns and he won't now either because he is a constitutional lawyer who trusts the founders knew what they were talking about even though he is wrong on this one. They could not foresee the future so their ideals are not right for the times. sometimes i wish you would get at least a part of a clue to what your talking about... the NRA does not "sell" guns, nor have they ever... |
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No one can dispute the fact that if guns were really a deterrent the US would have the smallest crime rate in the world. No criminal here knows whether there is a gun or not when they commit their crimes. So they obviously do it without knowing if there is a gun or not. So guns are no deterrent to crime. It appears those who fear guns the most are the ones who have them because they see the false power of having them? I wonder how many other differences other countries, such as those in Europe have from the U.S... To assume that base on this one difference would be a fallacy as Mexico doesn't allow civilians to have guns yet they have a higher homicide rate, and Switzerland requires (or strongly encourages) military issued assault rifles be kept in the closet of every household (this is linked to military service). The Swiss have a much lower homicide rates than most countries. Now that we are on the subject... In the U.S. Clinton banned assault rifles, yet, Columbine occurred smack dab in the middle of this ban. And furthermore gun violence, overall, continued to decline after the ban was lifted... This can't help but make you wonder... As with Washington D.C. who lifted its strict gun laws without a climb in gun violence. Another example would be Chicago, Illinois. They have the strictest gun laws in the country, yet the highest crime rate. Given this information how can one conclude that restricting firearms would have any impact on the U.S. and its crime rates? In fact, gun laws seem to have virtually no impact on crime, which is unfortunate for both sides of the debate. (Although making them illegal does help cartels make a few extra bucks.) So why are we not pursuing mental healthcare as a better alternative method of preventing tragedies? This would do nothing but benefit everyone, would it not? That being said... I understand your frustration with those who believe they are untouchable because they have a firearm. However, people do fear losing them as it does put them at a disadvantage to anyone still wielding the said firearm (which is anyone with the political pull to still own one or career criminal who purchases one on the black market). Power is so subjective in this argument as, in a way, it would give a 90 lb woman more "power" to defend herself against a 250 lb man under certain circumstances. Again, i point out, UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, as nothing is, or ever will be, fool proof. Which leads me to question... You say the government has no fear of guns because they have bigger and more powerful ones. But if guns don't make you more powerful then how did they achieve this status? Oh what a relief your posts are.
Mental Health is a big issue and for some reason an impossible issue to get them to pay any attention to. I have fought for more mental health screenings and care since the 90s when I became aware of the massive lack in this country. So we are in perfect agreement there and maybe we can get the gun advocates to work for it too and then maybe it will get done. Gun ownership should have extensive mental health checks regularly, it would help with the murder suicides and stuff of that nature. Ok, the issue with the weapon is that holstered with the safety on it is almost no protection unless someone announces they are about to attack you and gives you time to unholster it and unsafety it, right? In order for a gun to be the "protection" the NRA and gun fanatics claim it to be, it would have to be in your hand, with the safety off and finger on the trigger when the threat happens, like in your scenerio with the 90 pound women. I have had the joy of being attacked in domestic violence situations and in stranger situations, a gun would not have made it better for me as it was too fast and too close for the gun to have been effective. My mind and body prevented my death possibly on a few occasions. The gun would have been stolen from me and used probably to commit some terrible crime elsewhere if not on me. Which I am not afraid of death so to me the worst would be someone else being killed by my weapon which I was stupid enough to let get stolen.....
As to the power of the gun. The folly is the "gun balls", gun craziness..... There are gun owners out there and I hope they are the majority because I am not anti gun, I am anti gun crazy, who have the weapon for an extreme situation that they know will never happen and they pay that weapon no mind other than to keep it safe and make sure no one steals it or no kids get it. They realize it will not help them in the case of a house break in most likely because it is locked away safely for the kids sake. These gun owners take all non gun precautions to make sure they are safe and their families are safe. They live as if they don't even have a gun and don't need for anyone to know they have a gun except the proper authorities. I support these gun owners and that is why I am not anti gun. Because I believe these are the closest to sanity you get with a gun. The government has gone beyond the firepower of a gun, wouldn't you say? Just their intelligence, surveillance, covert possibility, etc... alone make a mere gun useless against it, right? But in the scenario of "my gun is bigger than your gun", they win. So that makes them more powerful. Smarter can out beat a gun every time. Even when faced with our government. Look at the successful attacks on us. It wasn't a gun that did it. Hey, its like I say, if you don't like us owning guns here move to a country that does not allow gun ownership. Quit whining bout how bad guns are when it is bad people with guns is the problem. NOT THE GUNS THEMSELVES! I doubt you last a year in Mexico! And the further south you go the less time I would bet you have. Whine about guns to a criminal some time. All I see here is a verbose justification of how GUNS are bad and not the people carrying them. So with that I will let this hot air pass much like a wet chili fart!!! Allow me to revisit this... like I need permission. First of all the screenings you mention are hollow. And making doctors ask you if you own a gun in the course of your treatment is UNCONSTITUTIONAL! they already have to report gunshot wounds as well as other wounds suspected as a result of criminal activity. A knife in the side of your chest is not a construction accident! now with that said... Criminals don't wait or ask permission for anything. it can be argued they are mentally ill but in all fairness let us not involve this argument with CAREER criminals for a moment, let us focus on the criminally insane. The recent New York fire fighter shooting for instance, how does a convicted murderer get his hands on such massive fire power? CONNECTIONS! HE HAD CONNECTIONS! He had to. Notice how quiet the news has been on this one vs. the Connecticut shooting? Because we can ask hard questions of one issue but when children are involved suddenly people like yourself go ballistic! "Oh how sad two fire fighters died but in Connecticut 20 children (and six adults COUGH COUGH) died and we need more gun control!" So let us look at the shooter. Was he on Prescription meds? As far as I know by what news has been released YES HE HAS! Did he have easy access to the weapons? It appears he murdered his mother to get to the guns! So his access was denied until he went completely over the edge. Then he KILLED TO GET THE TOOLS HE NEEDED. So there could very well be more to this than just meds and mental instability. There is no mention if he was abusing illegal drugs like METH. There is a good chance this loser was messing with BOTH. Mix meds and wonderful things happen! There are a lot of facts we are being denied and a lot of facts you choose to overlook. The Connecticut Shooter was armed with just PISTOLS! He had no long arms! So we ban assault guns when a pistol was the predominate weapon of choice for killings... WHAT THE HELL IS THE LOGIC BEHIND THAT? Now back to mental health issues... Now we got to disarm people with PTSD becasue they MIGHT flip out? How about Bi-Polar people? How about anyone listed with clinical depression? What qualifications are you looking at? What criteria are you using to back this idealism of yours? A person with Schizophrenia is just as dangerous as a person with Delusional Paranoia. But typically people with these conditions should not be wandering around on the streets yet here we are in America and we have these people tossed out like trash wandering around in their own little bubble world and when that world clashes with reality we have tragedies happening all the time. Job security for some industries in this nation... What constitutes a gun crazy? Now as for the idea if someone is going to shoot you in the back and you are carrying a gun on your hip. You don't carry a gun on your hip unless you have backup somewhere near by! That way if some dick with a gun or knife decides to jump you from behind your backup spots them out and does them in theory. This is how police operate by Practice! You watch my back as I watch yours! You seem to act like all Americans think only for themselves and about only themselves! You think far too little of the AVERAGE gun owner! You have to take this to extremes! The idea is we all watch out for each other. What if a concerned citizen had seen the DC Sniper in action and took them out with a shot to the back? Well, here is some more messed up reality cake for you! We punish good Samaritans here in America. Have you forgotten that? If I had witnessed a Police officer getting shot and another about to get shot and I managed to put a bullet in the back of the killer's head before he killed anyone else I would be arrested for murder as they try to figure out it the news is going to really screw with them and wait to see if popular opinion is on my side before trying to crucify me. We are being made to turn against each other and here you are pointing your finger yelling "NAZI SPY" at everyone like that kid from The Locust People (and yes I did cheer when that man went crazy and killed that fat little bastard)! Crazy is people who fear a tool instead of what people can do with it. Crazy is people who think taking no action is helping a bad situation. Crazy is writing more laws and creating more restrictions that will not work and have been proven to NOT work! Crazy is trying to cure a symptom, not the disease! Crazy is when someone has to take everything to an extreme. Crazy is also thinking everyone is irresponsible. I know people who own a lot of guns. It is their passion and hobby. To them their firearms are their art! Are they crazy? I also know people who are professional target shooters. It is their sport. It is what they are good at. Like an exhibition shooter, are they crazy? Again, blame a tool or the wielder? Just becasue I want to own a plasma beam gun capable of boring a hole ten feet deep in solid stone with every shot does not mean I am going to take it out on a rampage some day!I want one in case ET decides to show up and try to pull an Independence Day 4 on us! The fact something like that would scare the military is a good thing becasue then their assault weapons and assault teams suddenly have their complacency taken away! Face a weapon that can cut through steel like it were toilet paper to a fire hose. I sure would not want to. Its bad enough someone can sneak on to a military base and steal a main battle tank! Nobody could out think THAT! And imagine if the guy would have loaded the magazine for that cannon and its machine guns. Gee, a lunatic with a 150mm cannon capable of targeting and shooting down aircraft! That would have been real fun! The only reason he was stopped was the idiot forgot to lock the turret hatch when he got stuck trying to cross a retaining wall and the police were able to shoot him in the driver seat! Had that hatch been locked it would have been a whole different fight. He almost got the tank free. Even a regular Bulldozer would wreak havoc in the wrong hands. Guns are just an easier and accessible way to kill people but the fact is if you want someone dead a shovel will work! So will a car, a screwdriver, electricity, poison... pick your method. It all takes effort! I cannot support your ideals at all becasue of the slippery slope they support! If you give a mouse a cookie it will want a glass of milk. If you give it a glass of milk it will want another... One Civil Right goes what next? Suddenly you realize you were duped when they tell you "Free Speech," Like hell, shut up or go to a FEMA camp for reeducation! And then what? Your Grand Children have that safe life you always wanted as SLAVES to a higher will? |
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