I do have to point out, that we still have troops that were unable to secure afganistan or iraq. Fighting a full scale war, dead on, army to army, the U.S. army would wipe out any opposition without breaking a sweat. However there are two dynamics that we are not looking at here. #1. Many troops would literally turn their weapons on their own officers before carrying out an order to slaughter other americans, as they have taken the oath to defend the constitution of the United States against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic. This precedes the promise to obey orders from the officers appointed to him/her including the president of the United States. #2 When a population is armed, you cannot decipher between friend and foe, making large scale attacks nearly impossible. This results in constant skirmishes, and on american soil, who knows how it would all end up. I been a personal witness to both sides of this issue. I have used this devastating technology of which you speak in live combat (front lines). I will say this, we have yet to lose a battle (i believe since wwII), yet we have lost wars. There is a lot more to fighting than who has the bigger stick.

Again, we are not seeing all the moving parts.

Furthermore, if people care so much about preventing these tragedies, why are they not pursuing avenues that have been proven to be much more effective? Why are they not looking at the problem itself?

ADJU all I have to say is.... Amen brother

Interesting reading ...


Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of Chicago ?

Body count: In the last six months 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago. There were 221 killed in Iraq. Chicago has one of the strictest gun laws in the entire US.

Does THAT tell you anything?????

President:--Barack Hussein Obama

Senator: Dick Durbin

House Representative: Jesse Jackson Jr.

Governor: Pat Quinn

House leader: Mike Madigan

Atty. Gen.: Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike)

Mayor: Rahm Emanuel

The leadership in Illinois - all Democrats.

Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago .

Of course, they're all blaming each other.

Can't blame Republicans; there aren't any!

Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the country.

State pension fund $78 Billion in debt, worst in country.

Cook County ( Chicago ) sales tax 10.25% highest in country.

(Look 'em up if you want).

This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois .

And...... he's gonna 'fix' Washington politics for us???

The only way we can really lose our rights is if we allow it. If we give permission. That is, if the people we elected into office, for some reason, on our behalf, vote to ban certain weapons or to confiscate our guns... even though the majority of the people are against it... then we legally have given our permission.

If our representatives cave into pressure from the globalist mafia and sell us out... they can try to take our guns.

I don't think they will be successful. Blood will flow.

Yep Chicago is a war zone and the system is corrupt, bad cops, lots of gangs.

You can't really tell who the "good guys" are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooa98FHuaU0&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEpEoWLkKMc&feature=youtu.be

You cannot go on a jet Airliner with fingernail cutters. You might try to hijack the plane.

Bottled Water? Hell NO! You might try to blow up the plane!

Your shoes? OH NO! YOU MIGHT HAVE A BOMB IN THERE!

In no time soon a bomb will be hiding in every woman's vagina the way the TSA handles things.

And just how big of a bomb can you shove up a man's azz?

OH MY GOD! HE'S GOT PRESCRIPTION PILLS WITH THE PRESCRIPTION! HE IS TRYING TO BLOW UP THE AIR PLANE!

That first video was excellent. It shows some real statistics about violent crime and deaths from guns. Crime is actually down.

The story of the woman fending off the intruder sounds great and I would really like to believe it but my bells are ringing on that one.

When my bells ring... it means that the story does not ring completely true.

(I have learned to trust my instinct and those bells, even when I hear something I would like to believe.)

I suspect her story may not exactly match the story told by the intruder. But who is going to believe him? Probably no one.

Okay fine, if the government does not care about our "pea shooters" then they had probably better leave them the hell alone and stop attempting to regulate them.

People like you will not disarm this country and neither will your "non existent govement boogieman."

It is not going to happen.

They might make them illegal, but the guns will not go away.

Actually, the NRA circulates false reports. The numbers of gun related crimes committed in Australia are well down since the buyback of 1996.

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/261-280/tandi269/view%20paper.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

"The American National Rifle Association claimed in 2000 that violent crimes had increased in Australia since the introduction of new laws, based on highly unrepresentative statistics from newspaper articles. The federal Attorney General Daryl Williams accused the NRA of falsifying government statistics and urged the NRA to "remove any reference to Australia" from its website."

Really? Or else what?

I can't stand government authorities who try to tell people what they can't put on their websites. Accusing the NRA of falsifying statistics is not proof.

Statistics are easily worded and misrepresented. If the NRA has any kind of documentary proof (and they should) they have a right to put that along with their source on their website.

And that brings up another matter of the Major News Media stories who report news without naming their sources!

They simply say "according to our sources ..."

Actually, (i am playing from memory of debates years ago), when i looked up crime statistics from their .gov website (not one connected to any debates) there was very little, if any change in crime. It went up some years, but down others, really only fluctuating in single digit numbers. These fluctuations could be attributed to anything. I have discovered, when trying to analyze things like this from an unbiased standpoint, gun control has very little, if any effect, on violent crime. Take a look at Mexico where guns are illegal, and their homicide rate. Now take a look at Switzerland who owns more guns per capita than the U.S. (and their guns are real assault rifles, meaning full auto, unlike ours). These "exceptions" lead me to believe my prior hypothesis of guns having little/no impact on crime itself. There are other factors here that we are not looking at.

Again, sad, but the population is caught up in a huge knee-jerk reaction instead of seeking out real solutions to the problem of violence.

The point is, that gun ownership is (properly) a DUTY as well as a right. people who have shirked their duty to be a part of the civilian militia have automatically ceded their right under the second amendment, but anyone who HAs a gun (or wants one) is obliged to do his duty and become part of the civilian militia.

Any "law" that takes away a right CANNOT by its very nature be a legitimate law (and therefore not only need not be obeyed, but MUST not be obeyed if one is to conduct oneself lawfully).

Indeed sir. That's about where i was trying to lead the debate. Every time there is a knee-jerk reaction, you have people giving up rights, and surrendering independence and gun control is a prime example of that. Another good example is something called the Patriot Act which overrides our right to due process. Although we don't hear many libs complaining about that anymore, now that Bush is out of office, do we?

The Idiots just Jerked their Knees here again!
Dumbass regulation that won't make the slightest difference on what the Dorks want to cure!
First they ought to cure the sickness in their own heads!
BTW,we are about in third place in owning Firearms here!
And the Military Rifles fully in Civilian possession are merely scary looking semi-automatic Rifles!

Here are some Australian numbers for all they're worth!

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia

What say you libs?

Why not ban this toy Barry has. It can take out all the school kids, aka, TERRORISTS, in the whole playground.



This one is way lots better than a shotgun.




Yes, it's sad nutcases will kill kids. Tell that to the nutcases at the top of DC.

If you

Don't you need a serial number to register a gun?

sorry Ossiffer I accidentally ground it out!
Thought it wasn't important!