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Topic: Conditioning the worker bees,,,,
msharmony's photo
Tue 03/14/17 04:22 PM
As if the list of problems with work culture lately wasn’t long enough, a woman recently had her job interview canceled when she asked about the salary and benefits. It seems like a fairly straightforward, obvious question — a job might be a great fit for you, and something you’re excited about, but not everybody is able to make sacrifices when it comes to the money they’re making, so it’s important to know what you’re getting into.

While it would be great if we could all do what we love no matter the price point, it’s just not realistic in a world in which most young people are struggling with student loan debt, the price of living in cities is astronomical, and wages remain stagnant despite profit growth overall.

On top of that, hello? It’s totally reasonable and expected for somebody to ask the details of the job they’re interviewing for? Which is why the internet is (understandably) going nuts over this woman losing out on a second interview for inquiring.



After Victoria was called back for a second interview she asked what the salary was, and this is how the company responded:

“Your questions reveal that your priorities are not in sync with SkipTheDishes. At this time we will not be following through with our meeting this Thursday.”
According to Buzzfeed, the company — Winnipeg based Skip the Dishes — has since reached out to the woman to apologize and offer her the second interview. That said, after all of this…we sort of think that the company might not be a great fit for this woman, or anybody who prioritizes outrageous things like, dunno, meeting their basic human needs.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/reason-woman-job-interview-canceled-215408983.html

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Tue 03/14/17 06:25 PM
Yikes. It's just like approaching someone as a potential mate/date, having them reject you because they are obviously wildly prejudiced against you, and then have them make a nominal apology after everyone else calls them on their crap.

I hope she doesn't bother to go back. Let them rot in their obvious disgusting stew.

Dodo_David's photo
Tue 03/14/17 08:32 PM
Job coaches routinely tell job seekers not to ask about salaries and benefits during a job interview.

msharmony's photo
Tue 03/14/17 08:35 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 03/14/17 08:36 PM

Job coaches routinely tell job seekers not to ask about salaries and benefits during a job interview.


yes, those that are conditioning worker bees

and this was after the interview, when one generally is encouraged to ask questions, because employment is a two way street

kind of like telling the interviewer not to ask about skills


the employer needs skills
the employee needs to be paid

motowndowntown's photo
Tue 03/14/17 10:17 PM
You never ask about wages and benefits until after an offer has been made. Then bargain for what you're looking to get or walk.

no photo
Wed 03/15/17 04:06 AM
On the lower end of the ladder ( hourly pay) the pay is stated fairly early in the process by the employer.

On the higher end it is not discussed until the interview process is complete, which can take multiple meetings. The it is negotiated.

no photo
Wed 03/15/17 07:56 AM
After Victoria was called back for a second interview she asked what the salary was



It's a common question, how much... that's all that really matters to millennials, I don't blame that company one bit for trying to find a compatible employee that won't jump ship when a few dollars more are offered somewhere else. It's brutal trying to retain that age group as workers, paycheck is all that matters to them.

I can pretty well guess that it's better than what she's making "unemployed"? indifferent

no photo
Wed 03/15/17 08:08 AM
Conditioning the worker bees

Seems more like "conditioning the click bait junkies."

I mean: "the internet is (understandably) going nuts "

Did the company reject her for an illegal reason (age, gender, orientation, race)?
Is the potential recruit entitled to being hired?

It's a non story.


Other than that, it reads like a crappy forum thread.
"OMG! All I did was ask them about what kind of car they drive. And they sent this reply:'I'm sorry. Your question about my car reveals you are just a golddigger. I am cancelling our meet Friday.' I was just making conversation and wanting to know what car to look for when we meet for my own safety!"

Who knows if the reason printed in the response is actually the motivation.
For all I know the company's president decided to hire their nephew for the position, or the HR rep was a racist and didn't like the race of the applicant, or maybe their 3rd quarter earnings report came in showing a drastic reduction and they couldn't really afford to hire someone, but chose to send out whatever was immediately relevant and convenient.

The only thing that really matters is "we will not be following through with our meeting this Thursday."

Everything else is pointless unless it's legally actionable.

msharmony's photo
Wed 03/15/17 08:09 AM
yes, the brainwashing hat taken hold

'anything is better than nothing' nonsense

imagine, if they had just paid the slaves one penny,, everything would be better,,,,,

people have a right to know what will be at the end of their time , energy, and gas,,, going back and forth to interviews just as much as they have the right to know what the job is asking from them,,,,

no photo
Wed 03/15/17 08:54 AM
Slaves? Who is brainwashed? laugh


no1phD's photo
Wed 03/15/17 09:29 AM
Well.. as a business owner... I can totally appreciate where the company was coming from...
If I'm interviewing someone and the first question they ask is in relation to salary or money or benefits...
It does say to me that they are putting their own concerns ahead of my company... after all I am going to be taking care of them... as far as the money goes that is something we discuss further down the road..
It's the same thing when somebody wants a raise... and they say they will work harder stay later... I look at them and say you should be working harder and staying later already.. if more money is going to make you a better worker then... maybe you and I should have a talk....lol... of course everyone has the right to know what to expect when they take a position or are looking for a position... but you need to show your employer that you are willing to put the company's concerns slightly ahead of yours..

Because after all the company is going to be paying your mortgage grocery gas and all your bills..yes.. it's called having a little appreciation..omg.

no photo
Wed 03/15/17 10:05 AM
Work harder,longer? Are you crazy? That doesn't fit their lifestyle.
Besides, taking a job might mess up their benefits. to them, a job is temporary, Govt benefits are forever.

no1phD's photo
Wed 03/15/17 10:09 AM
Yes.. I was raised to believe you work to live not live to work.. but I was also raised to believe when you work you work hard no matter what you're doing... you put all you have into it..
Money is not the deciding factor..
The accomplishment of doing a good days work that is the benefit and if it helps to society in the process all the better

msharmony's photo
Wed 03/15/17 10:16 AM

Conditioning the worker bees

Seems more like "conditioning the click bait junkies."

I mean: "the internet is (understandably) going nuts "

Did the company reject her for an illegal reason (age, gender, orientation, race)?
Is the potential recruit entitled to being hired?

It's a non story.


Other than that, it reads like a crappy forum thread.
"OMG! All I did was ask them about what kind of car they drive. And they sent this reply:'I'm sorry. Your question about my car reveals you are just a golddigger. I am cancelling our meet Friday.' I was just making conversation and wanting to know what car to look for when we meet for my own safety!"

Who knows if the reason printed in the response is actually the motivation.
For all I know the company's president decided to hire their nephew for the position, or the HR rep was a racist and didn't like the race of the applicant, or maybe their 3rd quarter earnings report came in showing a drastic reduction and they couldn't really afford to hire someone, but chose to send out whatever was immediately relevant and convenient.

The only thing that really matters is "we will not be following through with our meeting this Thursday."

Everything else is pointless unless it's legally actionable.



A response that : your questions reveal your priorities are not in sync after she texts only two question

about pay and benefits

and their apology,, make it clear that their reasoning was BS

msharmony's photo
Wed 03/15/17 10:16 AM

Slaves? Who is brainwashed? laugh





people who believe that pay is a nonfactor in employment because 'any job is better than no job'

msharmony's photo
Wed 03/15/17 10:18 AM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 03/15/17 10:19 AM

Well.. as a business owner... I can totally appreciate where the company was coming from...
If I'm interviewing someone and the first question they ask is in relation to salary or money or benefits...
It does say to me that they are putting their own concerns ahead of my company... after all I am going to be taking care of them... as far as the money goes that is something we discuss further down the road..
It's the same thing when somebody wants a raise... and they say they will work harder stay later... I look at them and say you should be working harder and staying later already.. if more money is going to make you a better worker then... maybe you and I should have a talk....lol... of course everyone has the right to know what to expect when they take a position or are looking for a position... but you need to show your employer that you are willing to put the company's concerns slightly ahead of yours..

Because after all the company is going to be paying your mortgage grocery gas and all your bills..yes.. it's called having a little appreciation..omg.



as an employee, why shouldnt my concerns be just as important as the employers,, is it not a two way street? Will I not be giving them my time and efforts ? isnt that worth knowing what I will get in return?

its called having a little consideration,,,omg

msharmony's photo
Wed 03/15/17 10:19 AM

Well.. as a business owner... I can totally appreciate where the company was coming from...
If I'm interviewing someone and the first question they ask is in relation to salary or money or benefits...
It does say to me that they are putting their own concerns ahead of my company... after all I am going to be taking care of them... as far as the money goes that is something we discuss further down the road..
It's the same thing when somebody wants a raise... and they say they will work harder stay later... I look at them and say you should be working harder and staying later already.. if more money is going to make you a better worker then... maybe you and I should have a talk....lol... of course everyone has the right to know what to expect when they take a position or are looking for a position... but you need to show your employer that you are willing to put the company's concerns slightly ahead of yours..

Because after all the company is going to be paying your mortgage grocery gas and all your bills..yes.. it's called having a little appreciation..omg.


and another thing

you dont know IF they will be paying your mortgage, etc, unless you know HOW Much they are paying,,,kind of the point,

no photo
Wed 03/15/17 10:35 AM
Edited by alleoops on Wed 03/15/17 10:36 AM


Well.. as a business owner... I can totally appreciate where the company was coming from...
If I'm interviewing someone and the first question they ask is in relation to salary or money or benefits...
It does say to me that they are putting their own concerns ahead of my company... after all I am going to be taking care of them... as far as the money goes that is something we discuss further down the road..
It's the same thing when somebody wants a raise... and they say they will work harder stay later... I look at them and say you should be working harder and staying later already.. if more money is going to make you a better worker then... maybe you and I should have a talk....lol... of course everyone has the right to know what to expect when they take a position or are looking for a position... but you need to show your employer that you are willing to put the company's concerns slightly ahead of yours..

Because after all the company is going to be paying your mortgage grocery gas and all your bills..yes.. it's called having a little appreciation..omg.


and another thing

you dont know IF they will be paying your mortgage, etc, unless you know HOW Much they are paying,,,kind of the point,


and you do know that you won't be paying it either, with no job or income.laugh


msharmony's photo
Wed 03/15/17 10:42 AM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 03/15/17 10:43 AM



Well.. as a business owner... I can totally appreciate where the company was coming from...
If I'm interviewing someone and the first question they ask is in relation to salary or money or benefits...
It does say to me that they are putting their own concerns ahead of my company... after all I am going to be taking care of them... as far as the money goes that is something we discuss further down the road..
It's the same thing when somebody wants a raise... and they say they will work harder stay later... I look at them and say you should be working harder and staying later already.. if more money is going to make you a better worker then... maybe you and I should have a talk....lol... of course everyone has the right to know what to expect when they take a position or are looking for a position... but you need to show your employer that you are willing to put the company's concerns slightly ahead of yours..

Because after all the company is going to be paying your mortgage grocery gas and all your bills..yes.. it's called having a little appreciation..omg.


and another thing

you dont know IF they will be paying your mortgage, etc, unless you know HOW Much they are paying,,,kind of the point,


and you do know that you won't be paying it either, with no job or income.laugh





thats ok, I will be paying for the gas, the car note, the insurance, the child plans , etc... IN ORDER to work though

and Im not working just to see what money looks like but to actually COVER MY BILLS

just like the employer isn't hiring just to have a body in the position



so compensation is as important to me as an employee as being qualified is to the employer,,,

TxsGal3333's photo
Wed 03/15/17 10:57 AM
As for one that goes over applications that are submitted with the company I work for...

Honestly that question is a common question asked by some..Mostly from those that are shopping around for jobs. Many times they are set on what amount they will work for .. Many times those that ask about money first have a job and only looking for the money not to benefit the Company but only themselves. Is that bad? No, it's not but if their interest is only in the pay and not the company. Then those companies will not see them as a asset to better the company.

But to be honest when they do ask me that I will give them the lowest amount that we hire at and tell them it all depends on their experience and knowledge of the job we are hiring for on how much more then that they will be offered... If they are not interested before going through the whole interview what the company will offer them then it is a waste of the companies time... and theirs...

Companies need to know employees are willing to show what they can do before they bring employees up to the pay of those that are showing they can do the work and have proved it to them...

Many times you get those in that say they know how to do the job and expect to be started off what they think they are worth to find out they are not even worth what they think they are.. Believe me I have seen this many times...

Was the company wrong for cancelling the interview? I do feel they could have at least followed through with the 2nd interview. But then out of all honesty the truth most likely was her resume and the first interview was lacking something and this story is missing some key points... it was not just about her asking what the pay was for the job.

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