dems can't stop thinking a88 backwards, or being hateful and vindictive, with anything concerning Pres Trump

innocent until proven guilty is also a feel good cliche

actually, for people to be arrested there is an assumption of guilt

for a prosecutor to prosecute there is an assumption of guilt

the jury can then return guilty or not guilty(guilt not proven in otherwords)
there is no 'innocent' verdict

BUt yes, the justice system is one where there is a trial in which through DISCOVERY and INVESTIGATING the prosecutor attempts to PROVE guilt.

it is difficult to prove much of anything without testimony and 'evidence' which can range from the purely coicidental(what is called circumstantial) to tangible and hard fact.

when trying to determine guilt, facts need to be uncovered, details need to be investigated.

Kavanaugh, in my opinion, has enough circumstantial 'evidence' (The accusation to a medical professional along with the lie detector test and openness to being investigated by his accuser, versus his defensiveness and elusiveness at the idea of taking a lie detector or being further investigated and his more than lame answers for what his yearbook writings meant and that he never drunk to where he didnt remember something)

It makes him appear very likely guilty. whether anything will be made of it is somehow doubtful though, as it stands. IF others come forward, it may bring other details to light to make the case for guilt, or to make the case for innocence.

Of course your opinion is he's guilty. To bad the opinion of the top sex crimes Prosecutors in the country said it was not believable and a case she would never charge let alone bring to trial.

Not to mention Senator Graham was also one of the top prosecutors in our country for many years. Even after elected to the Senate they activated him and sent him overseas to prosecute soldiers and to train other JAG prosecutors here in the states. I am glad she gave testimony under oath, now they can get her for perjury and I guarantee Senator Graham wont let this rest. We also have another top prosecutor in Washington, Congressman Gowdy. He was a nationally renowned prosecutor before he got elected featured on many shows like Forensic Files, American Justice, City Confidential etc. He prosecuted crimes that he was advised not to because he was told they were not winnable and he would win. Plus Feinstein, Booker and Harris wont stand behind Ford once the whole thing gets unraveled. They are going to go into CYA mode and not only throw her under the bus but they are going to back it over her.

You keep mentioning the lie detector and the therapist, do you realize that the lie detector test and the therapist contradict eachother? It's your blind hatred of anything Trump. Your grasping as straws and Liberal talking points.

FBI interviews accuser; Yale friend remembers heavy drinker


"WASHINGTON (AP) — FBI agents on Sunday interviewed one of the three women who have accused Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct as Republicans and Democrats quarreled over whether the bureau would have enough time and freedom to conduct a thorough investigation before a high-stakes vote on his nomination to the nation's highest court".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/fbi-interviews-accuser-yale-friend-remembers-heavy-drinker/2018/09/30/7a1446f2-c510-11e8-9c0f-2ffaf6d422aa_story.html?noredirect=on

'Little lies point to bigger lies': James Comey writes that the FBI's investigation into Kavanaugh won't be 'as hard as Republicans hope it will be'

"Former FBI director James Comey wrote in an op-ed Sunday that the FBI's background check into Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh will not be "as hard as Republicans hope it will be."
FBI investigators "know that little lies point to bigger lies," Comey wrote. "They know that obvious lies by the nominee about the meaning of words in a yearbook are a flashing signal to dig deeper."
It's unclear how deep the FBI will be able to dig, however, because Republicans and the White House have imposed significant constraints on the scope of the background check".

http://www.businessinsider.in/little-lies-point-to-bigger-lies-james-comey-writes-that-the-fbis-investigation-into-kavanaugh-wont-be-as-hard-as-republicans-hope-it-will-be/articleshow/66021209.cms

Kavanaugh accuser Christine Ford releases results of polygraph test, but key detail appears to contradict past statements



in part,

"In the handwritten statement, Ford writes that "there were 4 boys and a couple of girls" at the party.

But in Ford's letter to Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., in July, Ford gave a different tally, writing that the gathering "included me and 4 others".

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/kavanaugh-accuser-christine-ford-releases-results-of-polygraph-test-but-key-detail-appears-to-contradict-past-statements

This sounds like some of that far right nitpicking. It doesn't matter if there were 2, 4, 6 or 8 people there. If it happened, it happened.

I dont think anyone is aware if the lie detector and therapist contradict each other. One is a machine that detects deception, the other is a person who takes notes on what someone has said.

'Top' people on both sides can be found with opinions about veracity for or against the accuser or the accused. AS mentioned before the administrator of the lie detector test itself had pretty impressive credentials as well.

no deception is no deception. that matched with not only an openness but a REQUEST to be investigated further to help with the details, and the mention of the incident in a private setting YEARS before most know Kavanaughs name speaks volumes to be about credibility. Never an attempt to have her name known since she REQUESTED to be kept confidential. Never an attempt to 'sell' her story for monetary gain. NOT ONE motive whatsoever to have gone to a counsel session all those years ago and shared this incident. NONE.

Like I said, in contrast to a JUDGE who is quick to anger, combative, drinking as if he was in the middle of a desert, defensive about his drinking, claiming that 'boof' in his HIGH SCHOOL year book referred to farting, claiming that the 'ralf club' was on account of how spicy foods mess with his stomach, and then being so evasive with most questions but so CLEAR about how he would drink but still remember 'everything'.

there is no comparison, for me, which person came across as deceptive and guilty. BUt as stated before, it will not be up to anyone here or any other 'top' professionals who weigh in. SO it is all just opinions and everybody has one.

I grew up with a lot of family in law enforcement. They would talk about how to beat a lie detector test. They aren't admissible in court for a reason. Ford was a party girl. Good chance she was sexually assaulted sometime during her party years. But I don't believe it was k. The timing of her wanting to tell is too convenient. I think Ford and some other democrats should be investigated.

Innocent until proven guilty isn't a cliche, it's the law. K hasn't been arrested. There isn't any evidence. All you have is her story that's full of holes and 36 years late.

K has done well for himself to be a sloppy drunk.

I do not know if K is a sloppy drunk. I was a military wife though, and I can tell you doing 'well' for yourself is not something that excludes being a sloppy drunk. People compartmentalize. They work when its time to work, and they party when its time to party, and sometimes their party involves the thrill of being 'drunk' and/or sloppy.

Judiciary Dem: Kavanaugh was 'only person who didn't want' FBI investigation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSVG40cQA9M

Being a judge isn't the same as being in the military. K isn't out of state or the country getting arrested and have his sargent get him out of trouble the next day without anyone knowing. I've drank beer too. Does that make me a rapist? If k had a drinking problem there would be clear signs of it at his age. He seems healthy for someone his age who has been heavily drinking since a teenager.

The process was an interview of character for the job of SCOTUS judge. it was not a trial. Trials require more direct answers and people can face their accuser directly just as the accuser can directly face the accused. And testimony can be followed up on with more questions by each side.

It was not a trial. So fortunately or unfortunately, the Judge being a 'rapist' isnt the question. At this point, it will only be significant if he is shown to be a liar, which might sink his nomination.


The point about being in the military was just to set a reference for personal knowledge. Many successful men still have drinking problems, its called 'functioning alcoholism'. They are able to compartmentalize and get to work when its time to work, but then go overboard and get excessive when its time 'off the clock' or time to party.

This !

FBI interviews accuser; Yale friend remembers heavy drinker


"WASHINGTON (AP) — FBI agents on Sunday interviewed one of the three women who have accused Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct as Republicans and Democrats quarreled over whether the bureau would have enough time and freedom to conduct a thorough investigation before a high-stakes vote on his nomination to the nation's highest court".

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/trump-fbi-free-rein-kavanaugh-investigation-58181442

Hateful and vindictive? Right here. And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Amnesty International: Trump created year of 'hate-filled rhetoric

"Amnesty International is ripping President Trump, accusing him of creating a year of "hate-filled rhetoric" through his immigration policy".

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/375007-amnesty-international-trump-created-year-of-hate-filled-rhetoric

K's character isn't defined by a person making a false claim or a beer he drank at 15 years old.

The longest I've known anyone to stay in the military is 30 years putting them at 47 years of age. The military is known for drinking and partying. Judges aren't. I see liberals are trying to turn k into an alcoholic since rapist didn't work out for them.

All of Brett Kavanaugh’s Classmates Who Have Accused Him of Lying

"In the face of numerous sexual-assault allegations dating back to his high school and college years, all of which allegedly look place in the presence of copious alcohol use, Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh has tried to push back on reports that make it seem as though he and his friends were frequently drunk and belligerent, claiming he was a well-behaved boy who simply liked (and still likes!) beer — a characterization that a mounting number of his classmates are calling inaccurate".

http://www.thecut.com/2018/10/all-of-kavanaughs-classmates-who-have-called-him-a-liar.html

The FBI report will come back...inconclusive

Why. Two reasons

1St ..the FBI doesn't do anything in one week.
2nd..and more importantly
NOBODY can PROVE anything from 35 years ago. EVERYTHING is hearsay..and hearsay..is NOT proof

Here is some more of that far-right hate.

Migrant Children Moved Under Cover of Darkness to a Texas Tent City

"In shelters from Kansas to New York, hundreds of migrant children have been roused in the middle of the night in recent weeks and loaded onto buses with backpacks and snacks for a cross-country journey to their new home: a barren tent city on a sprawling patch of desert in West Texas".

http://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/30/us/migrant-children-tent-city-texas.html

that's one of the most uneducated conclusions I've ever heard . So let me speculate using you theory : I think she is lying about Kavanaugh . She never put a name to the person that abused her when she told her shrink years ago. She never reported it to the cops, or her parents. The people she said were there never saw anything like what she said happened. She can't remember when it happened or where it happened. So far pretty flimsy. Her answers seemed practiced. There is more evidence in his defense. And zero evidence in her accusation. His anger was justified, most people who know they are innocent would be angry, hell I'd be wanting to punch the people telling me im guilty . And treating me the way they treated him. Disgustingly! But let's make no mistake, if the FBI comes back with evidence clearing him the democrats will fabricate a fictitious reason to delay some more . What will happen if republicans are still in charge if God forbid justice Ginsburg passes, will the democrats parade her around like " a weekend at Bernie's" . Shameful tactics performed by shameful people.

Seems the #me too activist took over yelling outbursts and mean talking one of the Senators recently.

Anyone have the Link to that !!

I t was all on radio yesterday,, probably online somewhere.

The Activist was pleading Women. Abused. All because of Ford's. Testimony.

Brett Kavanaugh’s Fox News Interview Is Now Testimony Under Oath

"The judge’s potentially dubious claims about drinking and virginity carry penalty of perjury".

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/brett-kavanaughs-fox-news-interview-731612/

I don't see k as being a player. I would easily believe he was a virgin until his 20's