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You can't trust a man. As if a woman has NEVER been untrustworthy.  I'm just shocked at the things men do to decent women everyday all over the freaking world, in my life as well, is that alright with you sir? I have to agree with you on this point but Dodo does have a point. I have seen some pretty untrustworthy women out there as well. There are indeed some horrible human beings in this world and makes me wonder if they even have a conscience. Some people have neither empathy, nor conscience. However, they can be very good at pretending they have both. |
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Op; you asked a question of why these single women walk away from you when you say you are separated. I think many have answered your question that you are legally married and these women don't want to date a married man.
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During the years before getting married, there were no questions asked if there were any papers confirming end of relationship. Now when wife and I separated 2010, I"��ve been meeting women who had interest in me until question of marriage and divorce papers to prove the end of relationship occurred. When replying there is no divorce yet, most women walked away. Speaking with my female friends, they have the same opinion. Now most of these were/is highly educated women with scientific education and brilliant minds. Now here'��s my 10 000 EURO question. (I will not pay until satisfactory answer occurs and I'll judge it;o) What is it with the idea of a person that has a paper that says he is married is not trusted when saying relationship is over, when at the same time, there are so many married couples that go over the domestic borders all the time. No matter he, she or it;o) It doesn't make any sense to me as I try to be rational and look at things in a logical way. Of course I can understand the betrayal of a trusted friend and companion turns the other way suddenly, but seriously!! I have been abandoned and betrayed also but have never got any idea of a paper making a difference of trust!!! Please be patient with me and ask if you don'��t understand my ramblings!! Peter Ok, as you are trying to be rational the majority of women pretty much all gave you a similar reply...which apparently is the same as your friends that are highly educated women with scientific education and brilliant minds. - that it makes sense to walk away - because in the majority of cases men are still way more involved or all of a sudden their private life takes a new turn - logically chances are that it is either not serious or troubles ahead in the future (bigamy is also not allowed in Europe...just saying)...so why would anyone be interested in investing energy in that kind of relation ? However I agree that a paper does not make a difference in trust. People can always chose to not respect a contract or a promise...on paper or not...but the consequences of paper (or electronics) nowadays also in Europe have way more implications. Your ID is an example, your titles, diplomas, etc... so a marriage has legal implications....whether we like it or not.. Of course all those responses are not going in your sense so you can obviously not consider them as satisfactory. I mean obviously I don't think anyone expects you or answered for the sake of the offer. 10.000 Euros probably is a way of pretending that the question is important to you....on the other hand you say you are too lazy to pursue your divorce... So basically, you have to figure what is most important to you. However...if you were truly honest...you should have a satisfactory answer to your question....cause they are all the same. (lol...and share among all women that gave you the same explanation cause that's most probably THE REASON..)   Yes, the 10 000 Euro question is rhetorical. I have the answer for sure from this site, however not all women have this stance of divorce papers done and gone when speaking in real life. But that's maybe irrelevant. Me as a male, I would not claim any proof of finished paper work before entering relationship. (Observe not marriage! I'm not that stupid to enter bigami as some believe;o) Reading the responses from males here, it seems that it's the same on the other gender. |
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he got 10,000 euros for askin the question. haha maybe it'll help fund his divorce. lucky ol so and so. LOL...actually the 10.000 Euros go to you cause he said "noted" to your post...and took it well. So it's a satifcatory answer to his question... congrats !!   
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th From the excuses the original poster is trying to spin, and the pedestrian level word games... I'll wager, the wife doesn't yet know they're separated and getting divorced. I'll wager, he kept the separation and divorce a secret from her.  I'll wager, that I know a great divorce attorney, that I can refer her to, when she finds out.  Sorry that my word games offend you. It was not my intention, English is my second language. I'll wager that my address is in Brno, Czech Rep. I'll wager that my hopefully soon to be ex-wife lives in Poznan, Poland I'll wager that you are allowed to contact her with your divorce attorney, you would actually do me a favour:o) However your attorney would be pretty useless in Poland. I'll wager that she is aware of my wish not to be married to her since June 2010 when we she went back to her hometown Poznan!! Yes, it's that long ago. But as I said, I'm lazy about it, does not mean much to me. Further on, I do know that I can force it through via attorneys, I didn't seek for help in legal matters here, but thanks anyway. This attorney would cost me an arm and both legs but will be the last resortâ¦.. All I wanted to know was the reasoning behind divorce papers. Not involving me and my life as a person.What I find interesting is that people read what they want and fill in the rest by themselves like you Mr Gnome. Well done! Others that think I want to control my wife or for whateverxuckedup reason, get a life beyond the keyboardâ¦. If you'd like, I can post my replies in the Czech language, so they'll be easier for you to comprehend. I never said, "my" attorney. What I did say, was "a divorce attorney". You're not well traveled, are you? Again, that's an interesting backspin, you're adding to your story. Of course, after your initial spinning was pointed out. The time to do the right thing, starts when you wake up in the morning. NOT after you've been caught. First of all, I'm not of Czech origin, which proves your lack of info about me to make any qualified guesses of my life. Second, no I'm not well travelled. I have only been living in Thailand, Phillipines, Canada, Poland and now Czech Rep. However that is probably a spin also… Oh, I lied, add Sweden also…. |
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Doesn't matter how many ways it's spun, or what it's called within each spinning. Manure/organic fertilizer. A bag of horse dung will always be a bag of horse dung. Can't agree more, however I prefer the horse dung than your imagined written dung;o) You don't know when it is time to draw the line, do you?  No, your right about that. I don't like when someone write something that is imagined about me, do you? |
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Wait! A prostitute would date a married man. There ya go. Mystery solved.
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Edited by
OnNewJourney
on
Sun 11/16/14 01:54 PM
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OP wrote: "I'm a sort of an overdue male of 51 year. I've been through three +4 year long relationships and one marriage of seven years. Not a great deal of points in the "game" of life, huh? But anyway, now I want to know something from you females.
During the years before getting married, there were no questions asked if there were any papers confirming end of relationship. Now when wife and I separated 2010, I've been meeting women who had interest in me until question of marriage and divorce papers to prove the end of relationship occurred.” The current year is 2014. If seven years long marriage ended by separation, not divorce, in 2010, when did those three 4+ years long relationships happen? One four years long relationship (let's not address that "+" in a "4+ years long relationships" now) might have happened between 2010 and 2014, while he was separated, not divorced. What about the remaining two 4+ years long relationships? WHEN did they happen? Before or after 2007? And why did OP ask:" What is it with the idea of a person that has a paper that says he is married is not trusted when saying relationship is over, when at the same time, there are so many married couples that go over the domestic borders all the time. No matter he, she or it;o)"? After reading our replies he concluded:" Me as a male, I would not claim any proof of finished paper work before entering relationship. (Observe not marriage! I'm not that stupid to enter bigami as some believe;o)" I am sure he knows how entering any relationship while still married (not divorced, meaning over with that relationship) is called. If he doesn't know what it's called or doesn't like when he is told it is called cheating, that's his problem. He is not the only one who didn't get justification and encouragement to go ahead with it from other people on online dating sites. If he still doesn't give up looking for justification and doesn't restrain himself from insulting those who denied it to him, that can't be excused by English as a second language. It has nothing to do with command in any language, but all to do with arrogance and lack of manners. |
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You don't know when it is time to draw the line, do you? No, your right about that. I don't like when someone write something that is imagined about me, do you? You neither evoked imagination, nor left anything to it. Anyone capable of using basic logic can read what you wrote and come to the same conclusions majority here already came to. |
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Yes, the 10 000 Euro question is rhetorical. I have the answer for sure from this site, however not all women have this stance of divorce papers done and gone when speaking in real life. But that's maybe irrelevant. Me as a male, I would not claim any proof of finished paper work before entering relationship. (Observe not marriage! I'm not that stupid to enter bigami as some believe;o) Reading the responses from males here, it seems that it's the same on the other gender. "Me as a male, I would not claim any proof of finished paper work before entering relationship" I don't know, but maybe you do not give a very straight forward impression. ( I can only talk for myself but that is an impression I get from your comments and replies). As RG put it well...there are some sudden "backspins". I went slightly off topic with the bigamy question and didn't mean to suggest anything bt the troubles that can occur for not asking for the proper paperwork. I'm trying to judge you as little as possible. After all...it's not really my problem... And of course some are married and looking...( I don't have a problem with that) I just think you can't go in a serious relationship. Maybe you should date another married woman ? Anyways good luck ! |
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Wait! A prostitute would date a married man. There ya go. Mystery solved. true ! But they don't take rhetorical money ! :-) |
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OP wrote: "I'm a sort of an overdue male of 51 year. I've been through three +4 year long relationships and one marriage of seven years. Not a great deal of points in the "game" of life, huh? But anyway, now I want to know something from you females. During the years before getting married, there were no questions asked if there were any papers confirming end of relationship. Now when wife and I separated 2010, I've been meeting women who had interest in me until question of marriage and divorce papers to prove the end of relationship occurred.” The current year is 2014. If seven years long marriage ended by separation, not divorce, in 2010, when did those three 4+ years long relationships happen? One four years long relationship (let's not address that "+" in a "4+ years long relationships" now) might have happened between 2010 and 2014, while he was separated, not divorced. What about the remaining two 4+ years long relationships? WHEN did they happen? Before or after 2007? And why did OP ask:" What is it with the idea of a person that has a paper that says he is married is not trusted when saying relationship is over, when at the same time, there are so many married couples that go over the domestic borders all the time. No matter he, she or it;o)"? After reading our replies he concluded:" Me as a male, I would not claim any proof of finished paper work before entering relationship. (Observe not marriage! I'm not that stupid to enter bigami as some believe;o)" I am sure he knows how entering any relationship while still married (not divorced, meaning over with that relationship) is called. If he doesn't know what it's called or doesn't like when he is told it is called cheating, that's his problem. He is not the only one who didn't get justification and encouragement to go ahead with it from other people on online dating sites. If he still doesn't give up looking for justification and doesn't restrain himself from insulting those who denied it to him, that can't be excused by English as a second language. It has nothing to do with command in any language, but all to do with arrogance and lack of manners. First I would say that you are right about insulting and bad manners. I should ignore a person when somebody is making up stories about my life. Further on, addressing somebody "like him" "He is" is a kind of insult, however sugared. I'll stop the insulting remarks now then. So you think I had these relationships when I was married?? All these mentioned here was in response to "men are not to be trusted" I wrote then that I had been cheated on. These relationships happened in my youth, none of them are connected with my marriage. |
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@ Maxisu
Quote:I don't know, but maybe you do not give a very straight forward impression. ( I can only talk for myself but that is an impression I get from your comments and replies). As RG put it well...there are some sudden "backspins".:Quote Yes, you are right! I wanted only to have opinions about reasons and thoughts behind the divorce papers. I never intended to expose my private life here. There are many more details of my marriage and life that are affecting my responses here. Seriously, you think I'm going deep into that. As can be seen in OnNewJourney response here: Quote: The current year is 2014. If seven years long marriage ended by separation, not divorce, in 2010, when did those three 4+ years long relationships happen? One four years long relationship (let's not address that "+" in a "4+ years long relationships" now) might have happened between 2010 and 2014, while he was separated, not divorced. What about the remaining two 4+ years long relationships? WHEN did they happen? Before or after 2007?:Quote It is so wrong I don't even know where to begin! I have replied shortly in the previous post. However it's good that questions were asked. But one thing I've learned here, people are quick to make assumptions for sure. It's even worse when it's behind a keyboard. And to comment the post of paying a prostitute. Well, I thought it was kind of funny, however not all people would take that in good spirits. Peter |
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Op; you asked a question of why these single women walk away from you when you say you are separated. I think many have answered your question that you are legally married and these women don't want to date a married man. ^^^This ... not for any kind of date .. Think we all know a woman that got with a man who wasn't free yet .. she gets to go through HIS divorce, all the chit that comes with it .. |
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 Long story short and understandable; If you have the papers on you(Married) and don't have the others on file (Divorced) Titles and Warranties are non-transferable leaving you null and void!!
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Edited by
Vera
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Mon 11/17/14 05:25 AM
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Hello Peter, you started a topic. It was very interesting to reading the replies. Surely we have taken profit by sharing facts, experiences and opinions. I believe this topic was not only a long discussion but also a fruitful one, because we read, we understand (or do not) and we can buy from it. Thanks Peter for your openness. Please let us know when a new sweet happiness takes over in your life!
Greetings to everyone on this topic! |
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Edited by
fleta_n_mach
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Mon 11/17/14 05:54 AM
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I wanted only to have opinions about reasons and thoughts behind the divorce papers.I never intended to expose my private life here. In all honesty, I can tell you the reasoning for my 1st ex NOT cooperating with our divorce and my getting a divorce from him without his signature on any papers, was he told me when asked 15 years later: "You left with our daughter, took her from me. I was mad." I replied, "You were on drugs and abandoned me for a week. I had no choice." Pretty plain and simple. It was control for revenge that he tried blocking and procrastinating the divorce. Oh, then there's the fact that he didn't pay child support for 15 years either. It was also about money. I have no sympathy for a man whom thinks he can control a woman even from a distance. |
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I was in my first marriage for 5 years , things were really bad , I left and stayed gone for 8 years, I did not file for divorce due to the expence and I had three children so I ws not looking to get married again while they were so young. After eight years I met someone and wanted to get married so I filed for the divorce, when he got the papers he tore them up and sent them back, my lawyer advised me that a court date would be set and he would have to be present to protest so needless to say he didn't show up so I was granted my divorce, officaly. Though. I had to have someone represent him at court so my brother.inlaw stood in for him, the cost to me was only 750 dollars
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Edited by
Zero_Effected
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Mon 11/17/14 08:03 AM
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I get what you're saying.. in your mind, it's over.. so women should trust in your feelings towards them along with your uttered reassurances, and disregard the fact that there's still a piece of paper (your marriage license) that's binding you yet, to another woman... if I may state the obvious.. women can be as territorial as men in relationships(as well as other areas admittedly).. we like to think we're the ONLY one in our 'mans' life.. and because there are women (and men) who take the sanctity of marriage very seriously.. it's oftentimes hard to overcome the 'feeling' that our MAN can't totally commit to the current relationship, until that paperwork is done! in other words.. perhaps these women ran because they didn't feel you were 'free' enough to REALLY be with them in a committed relationship, regardless of the affections you showed them AND you saying "trust me"! some may also perceive that without 'doing the paperwork', you may one day return to your ex (having unfinished business with them perhaps? still hold a torch for perhaps?) and are leaving your options open by NOT finalizing the divorce! that said.. if you have a flippant(or unconcerned) attitude towards the marriage relationship itself.. some may surmise that maybe you're a) not ready to move on, or b) relationships in themselves aren't AS important to you, causing the sense that the current relationship isn't worth fighting for! if you follow... tell me.. if you were reading a book.. would you start another book beFORE finishing the first? or watch a movie or TV show only 3/4 of the way through then change the channel or switch the DVD? it's similar in principal when you think about it for a moment.. the logic is.. finish what you've started THEN move on with the next project.. be it book.. movie.. or relationship! but that's just MY opinion Hi, that was a well thought and balanced post! + with a wish to understand the question! Look, I'm not asking this in order to complain, I'm just curious and like to have discussions! Flowers right back at you:o) thank you Peter..I have many curiosities as well and rarely pass up an opportunity to have a good, healthy discussion/debate! I am not one to pass judgement or force my morality on others, however if cornered, I will defend my values  simply put, my opinion is how I'd feel IF I were in that situation.. I'm more a "live & let live" type.. but I DO enjoy playing "devil's advocate" though 
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Cost of a good divorce lawyer?- $1500 and up.
Cost of a divorce? She gets half or more. Moving on with your life? Priceless.....and phuck the costs This message provided to you by Goofball INC. |
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