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Findings in a report on physical punishment by Elizabeth T Gershoff, PH.D. The report synthesizes 100 years of social research and published studies in the fields of psychology, medicine, education, social work, and sociology. Her report supports the following: 1. There is little evidence that physical punishment improves children's behavior in the "long" term... 2. There is substantial evidence that physical punishment makes it more, NOT LESS, likely that children will be defiant and aggressive in the future... 3. There is clear evidence that physical punishment puts children at risk for future negative outcomes, including mental health problems... 4. There is consistent evidence that children who are physically punished are at greater risk of serious injury and physical abuse... Why physical punishment is NOT effective: 1. It does not teach children "why" their behavior is wrong or "what" they should do instead... 2. The pain of physical punishment interferes with the intended message... 3. It teaches children to behave a certain way to avoid being hurt, not because it is right or appropriate 4. It models aggressive behavior as being acceptable... 5. It instills fear... 6. It LINKS VIOLENCE WITH LOVE!!!!!!!... 1. We were EXPLAINED to why our behavior was wrong BEFORE and AFTER the punishment, and we were explained to what to do instead 2. We got the message loud and clear that life is about choices, and that with each choice comes some consequence. The message is we were responsible for our choices and their outcome. Pretty good message. 3. We also were taught what was right or appropriate along with being punished for doing what was NOT right or appropriate. 4. We werent taught to be aggressive at all, anymore than those who have their 'stuff' taken are taught to be thieves. We realized the difference between 'aggression' and 'discipline'. 5. Fear is an emotion that is painted as always negative when fear actually saves lives everyday. People should be AFRAID of going to jail for breaking laws. We were also afraid of the 'law enforcement' in place for breaking laws. We were taught reality, which includes a certain amount of (often life saving) fear. 6. We didnt link violence with love. We linked spanking with discipline. We were shown love when our parents read to us, taught us, exposed us to different experiences and environments, hugged us,,,etc,, which all comes back to each person doing what works BEST for their children as far as findings.. they also suggest that corporal punishment works better and is effective for some kids and not for others specifically, culturally, european and african american families (look up 'cultural differences in the effects of corporal punishment) as I said before, do what works for YOUR kids if your kids value stuff and feel entitled to stuff so much that taking away STUFF will be a deterrent, than do that but that is not how ALL kids view stuff so its not an effective deterrent to all kids Exactly!!! And evidence supports the fact that you Harmony were in the minority, not the majority...When it comes to advocating for children's rights, I will go with proven facts.....Guess you could even say that makes you one of the lucky one because I am going to take you at your word when you say you suffered no ill side effects from the corporal punishment your received as a child. You did say that didn't you?... of course Im a minority, thats no secret,,lol and 'evidence' supports how much better corporal punishment seems to be with MINORITIES, than others,,, I would like to see a link which support this statement because I find it impossible to believe that minorities react differently to physical punishment than non minorities....A 100 years worth of studies and reports would also be appreciated.... no cigar on the 100 years, although, like the above post, I can simply STATE that 100 years of research has gone into something(or any other random number of years I choose) no such research PROOF Was provided, just a 'study' so here is a link to the study on cultural differences,,, www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.pl?73+Law+&+Contemp.+Probs from the link 'After accounting for the effect of children’s antisocial behavior on their parents’ use of corporal punishment, European American children’s antisocial behavior elicited more-frequent corporal punishment.3 African American children’s antisocial behavior, though, was unrelated to the frequency with which their parents used such punishment. 2. Using a representative community sample, a study found that although the experience of corporal punishment in the first five years of life was associated with higher levels of teacher- and peer-reported behavior problems for European American children in third grade, this was not so for a similar cohort of African American children.4 No significant association between the experience of corporal punishment and subsequent teacher- and peer-reported behaviors was found for African American children. 3. A study reported generally similar associations between spanking and child-behavior problems across racial and ethnic groups, but reported a trend for a weaker relationship for African Americans than for European Americans.5 4. A study found a significant association between corporal punishment and clinical thresholds of behavior problems for European American children, yet this association was not significant for African American or Hispanic children.' ..'studies' can support either side. the proof is in what works for your OWN children,,, my consistent advise is to find what works and use it, up to and INCLUDING spankings, but not ABUSE,,, I could not open the link you provided. However, after reading what you wrote twice, I read nothing that supports you contention that corporal or physical punishment improves behavior in children..... nor saying that it doesnt. IT worked for me, it works for my family, it doesnt work for everyone or everyones family, it has worked for most families I know. no study is going to be able to prove that it does or doesnt,,,only LINK it to anti social behavior, a link that is not identical across cultures,,, |
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If you really need to discipline your children today, try grounding them, and taking away their cell phones and computer privileges. Make them watch T.V without cable. I assure you, they would rather take a quick beating than have to endure that.  not all of them many still dont have those luxuries to begin with,, I agree, for those who are so 'privileged' those types of disciplines may be better. Not very many of them. I've seen countless children who are not well off, living on food stamps, with cell phones and cable and computers. Even those who do not have these things, most would rather be spanked or hit than be grounded. There are many many alternatives to hitting your children. Try talking to them. Try understanding them. Try taking their toys or their car away from them. Children may rebel against their parents at a certain age no matter how good a parent you feel you have been. If you think you have to resort to smacking them around, and if you think it really works, and you can get away with it, for now, there apparently isn't much anyone can do about that. Unless the child learns how to get a lawyer and sue you for assault and battery. Im not sure seeing some proves anything about how many dont have those things. Its kind of like people who see 'some' welfare recipients driving cadillacs. Im sure it happens, I doubt its MOST of them though. Lets put it this way. I don't personally know anyone who has children that don't have cell phones. They come now in family packages. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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If you really need to discipline your children today, try grounding them, and taking away their cell phones and computer privileges. Make them watch T.V without cable. I assure you, they would rather take a quick beating than have to endure that. not all of them many still dont have those luxuries to begin with,, I agree, for those who are so 'privileged' those types of disciplines may be better. Not very many of them. I've seen countless children who are not well off, living on food stamps, with cell phones and cable and computers. Even those who do not have these things, most would rather be spanked or hit than be grounded. There are many many alternatives to hitting your children. Try talking to them. Try understanding them. Try taking their toys or their car away from them. Children may rebel against their parents at a certain age no matter how good a parent you feel you have been. If you think you have to resort to smacking them around, and if you think it really works, and you can get away with it, for now, there apparently isn't much anyone can do about that. Unless the child learns how to get a lawyer and sue you for assault and battery. Im not sure seeing some proves anything about how many dont have those things. Its kind of like people who see 'some' welfare recipients driving cadillacs. Im sure it happens, I doubt its MOST of them though. Lets put it this way. I don't personally know anyone who has children that don't have cell phones. They come now in family packages. thats true, but I know plenty who dont. Even those family packages come with bills that must be paid or the phone is CUT OFF. My child didnt have one until he could BUY IT HIMSELF. At that age, he had long since stopped receiving spankings. but I can see, in those families who are raising children that have cell phones at young ages, where taking the phone 'back' would be a deterrent... |
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Findings in a report on physical punishment by Elizabeth T Gershoff, PH.D. The report synthesizes 100 years of social research and published studies in the fields of psychology, medicine, education, social work, and sociology. Her report supports the following: 1. There is little evidence that physical punishment improves children's behavior in the "long" term... 2. There is substantial evidence that physical punishment makes it more, NOT LESS, likely that children will be defiant and aggressive in the future... 3. There is clear evidence that physical punishment puts children at risk for future negative outcomes, including mental health problems... 4. There is consistent evidence that children who are physically punished are at greater risk of serious injury and physical abuse... Why physical punishment is NOT effective: 1. It does not teach children "why" their behavior is wrong or "what" they should do instead... 2. The pain of physical punishment interferes with the intended message... 3. It teaches children to behave a certain way to avoid being hurt, not because it is right or appropriate 4. It models aggressive behavior as being acceptable... 5. It instills fear... 6. It LINKS VIOLENCE WITH LOVE!!!!!!!... 1. We were EXPLAINED to why our behavior was wrong BEFORE and AFTER the punishment, and we were explained to what to do instead 2. We got the message loud and clear that life is about choices, and that with each choice comes some consequence. The message is we were responsible for our choices and their outcome. Pretty good message. 3. We also were taught what was right or appropriate along with being punished for doing what was NOT right or appropriate. 4. We werent taught to be aggressive at all, anymore than those who have their 'stuff' taken are taught to be thieves. We realized the difference between 'aggression' and 'discipline'. 5. Fear is an emotion that is painted as always negative when fear actually saves lives everyday. People should be AFRAID of going to jail for breaking laws. We were also afraid of the 'law enforcement' in place for breaking laws. We were taught reality, which includes a certain amount of (often life saving) fear. 6. We didnt link violence with love. We linked spanking with discipline. We were shown love when our parents read to us, taught us, exposed us to different experiences and environments, hugged us,,,etc,, which all comes back to each person doing what works BEST for their children as far as findings.. they also suggest that corporal punishment works better and is effective for some kids and not for others specifically, culturally, european and african american families (look up 'cultural differences in the effects of corporal punishment) as I said before, do what works for YOUR kids if your kids value stuff and feel entitled to stuff so much that taking away STUFF will be a deterrent, than do that but that is not how ALL kids view stuff so its not an effective deterrent to all kids Exactly!!! And evidence supports the fact that you Harmony were in the minority, not the majority...When it comes to advocating for children's rights, I will go with proven facts.....Guess you could even say that makes you one of the lucky one because I am going to take you at your word when you say you suffered no ill side effects from the corporal punishment your received as a child. You did say that didn't you?... of course Im a minority, thats no secret,,lol and 'evidence' supports how much better corporal punishment seems to be with MINORITIES, than others,,, I would like to see a link which support this statement because I find it impossible to believe that minorities react differently to physical punishment than non minorities....A 100 years worth of studies and reports would also be appreciated.... I dont know why its so hard to believe. Although minorities are equally human to anyone else, there are slight genetic differences which lead them to have different reactions to certain stimuli. It happens with their physical health, why wouldnt it happen as well in their emotional health? Even though you are now trying to make this about ethnicity and/or race, I am not going to go there with you other than to say this one thing Harmony.......Now that you have introduced the subject one might wonder about the racial demographics within the US prison population...Especially since social and environmental circumstances play such a large part in the making of a criminal...Just thinking out loud here... |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 11/05/11 02:48 PM
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Findings in a report on physical punishment by Elizabeth T Gershoff, PH.D. The report synthesizes 100 years of social research and published studies in the fields of psychology, medicine, education, social work, and sociology. Her report supports the following: 1. There is little evidence that physical punishment improves children's behavior in the "long" term... 2. There is substantial evidence that physical punishment makes it more, NOT LESS, likely that children will be defiant and aggressive in the future... 3. There is clear evidence that physical punishment puts children at risk for future negative outcomes, including mental health problems... 4. There is consistent evidence that children who are physically punished are at greater risk of serious injury and physical abuse... Why physical punishment is NOT effective: 1. It does not teach children "why" their behavior is wrong or "what" they should do instead... 2. The pain of physical punishment interferes with the intended message... 3. It teaches children to behave a certain way to avoid being hurt, not because it is right or appropriate 4. It models aggressive behavior as being acceptable... 5. It instills fear... 6. It LINKS VIOLENCE WITH LOVE!!!!!!!... 1. We were EXPLAINED to why our behavior was wrong BEFORE and AFTER the punishment, and we were explained to what to do instead 2. We got the message loud and clear that life is about choices, and that with each choice comes some consequence. The message is we were responsible for our choices and their outcome. Pretty good message. 3. We also were taught what was right or appropriate along with being punished for doing what was NOT right or appropriate. 4. We werent taught to be aggressive at all, anymore than those who have their 'stuff' taken are taught to be thieves. We realized the difference between 'aggression' and 'discipline'. 5. Fear is an emotion that is painted as always negative when fear actually saves lives everyday. People should be AFRAID of going to jail for breaking laws. We were also afraid of the 'law enforcement' in place for breaking laws. We were taught reality, which includes a certain amount of (often life saving) fear. 6. We didnt link violence with love. We linked spanking with discipline. We were shown love when our parents read to us, taught us, exposed us to different experiences and environments, hugged us,,,etc,, which all comes back to each person doing what works BEST for their children as far as findings.. they also suggest that corporal punishment works better and is effective for some kids and not for others specifically, culturally, european and african american families (look up 'cultural differences in the effects of corporal punishment) as I said before, do what works for YOUR kids if your kids value stuff and feel entitled to stuff so much that taking away STUFF will be a deterrent, than do that but that is not how ALL kids view stuff so its not an effective deterrent to all kids Exactly!!! And evidence supports the fact that you Harmony were in the minority, not the majority...When it comes to advocating for children's rights, I will go with proven facts.....Guess you could even say that makes you one of the lucky one because I am going to take you at your word when you say you suffered no ill side effects from the corporal punishment your received as a child. You did say that didn't you?... of course Im a minority, thats no secret,,lol and 'evidence' supports how much better corporal punishment seems to be with MINORITIES, than others,,, I would like to see a link which support this statement because I find it impossible to believe that minorities react differently to physical punishment than non minorities....A 100 years worth of studies and reports would also be appreciated.... I dont know why its so hard to believe. Although minorities are equally human to anyone else, there are slight genetic differences which lead them to have different reactions to certain stimuli. It happens with their physical health, why wouldnt it happen as well in their emotional health? Even though you are now trying to make this about ethnicity and/or race, I am not going to go there with you other than to say this one thing Harmony.......Now that you have introduced the subject one might wonder about the racial demographics within the US prison population...Especially since social and environmental circumstances play such a large part in the making of a criminal...Just thinking out loud here... no, I welcome the discussion. Many people wonder about that very thing. But many are unaware of the actual demographics too. Currently the ratio is 38/58 percent black to white. So, the anomaly, if we expect all things to actually be equal (which they rarely naturally are) is why 12 percent of the population make up 38 percent of the prison population AND why 72 percent of the population make up 58 percent of the prison population there have been many theories from, disparate sentencing to rates of poverty and undereducation Its true that "social and environmental circumstances play such a large part in the making of a criminal" but its also true that politics and money plays a large role in INCARCERATING criminals,,, |
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Findings in a report on physical punishment by Elizabeth T Gershoff, PH.D. The report synthesizes 100 years of social research and published studies in the fields of psychology, medicine, education, social work, and sociology. Her report supports the following: 1. There is little evidence that physical punishment improves children's behavior in the "long" term... 2. There is substantial evidence that physical punishment makes it more, NOT LESS, likely that children will be defiant and aggressive in the future... 3. There is clear evidence that physical punishment puts children at risk for future negative outcomes, including mental health problems... 4. There is consistent evidence that children who are physically punished are at greater risk of serious injury and physical abuse... Why physical punishment is NOT effective: 1. It does not teach children "why" their behavior is wrong or "what" they should do instead... 2. The pain of physical punishment interferes with the intended message... 3. It teaches children to behave a certain way to avoid being hurt, not because it is right or appropriate 4. It models aggressive behavior as being acceptable... 5. It instills fear... 6. It LINKS VIOLENCE WITH LOVE!!!!!!!... 1. We were EXPLAINED to why our behavior was wrong BEFORE and AFTER the punishment, and we were explained to what to do instead 2. We got the message loud and clear that life is about choices, and that with each choice comes some consequence. The message is we were responsible for our choices and their outcome. Pretty good message. 3. We also were taught what was right or appropriate along with being punished for doing what was NOT right or appropriate. 4. We werent taught to be aggressive at all, anymore than those who have their 'stuff' taken are taught to be thieves. We realized the difference between 'aggression' and 'discipline'. 5. Fear is an emotion that is painted as always negative when fear actually saves lives everyday. People should be AFRAID of going to jail for breaking laws. We were also afraid of the 'law enforcement' in place for breaking laws. We were taught reality, which includes a certain amount of (often life saving) fear. 6. We didnt link violence with love. We linked spanking with discipline. We were shown love when our parents read to us, taught us, exposed us to different experiences and environments, hugged us,,,etc,, which all comes back to each person doing what works BEST for their children as far as findings.. they also suggest that corporal punishment works better and is effective for some kids and not for others specifically, culturally, european and african american families (look up 'cultural differences in the effects of corporal punishment) as I said before, do what works for YOUR kids if your kids value stuff and feel entitled to stuff so much that taking away STUFF will be a deterrent, than do that but that is not how ALL kids view stuff so its not an effective deterrent to all kids Exactly!!! And evidence supports the fact that you Harmony were in the minority, not the majority...When it comes to advocating for children's rights, I will go with proven facts.....Guess you could even say that makes you one of the lucky one because I am going to take you at your word when you say you suffered no ill side effects from the corporal punishment your received as a child. You did say that didn't you?... of course Im a minority, thats no secret,,lol and 'evidence' supports how much better corporal punishment seems to be with MINORITIES, than others,,, I would like to see a link which support this statement because I find it impossible to believe that minorities react differently to physical punishment than non minorities....A 100 years worth of studies and reports would also be appreciated.... I dont know why its so hard to believe. Although minorities are equally human to anyone else, there are slight genetic differences which lead them to have different reactions to certain stimuli. It happens with their physical health, why wouldnt it happen as well in their emotional health? Even though you are now trying to make this about ethnicity and/or race, I am not going to go there with you other than to say this one thing Harmony.......Now that you have introduced the subject one might wonder about the racial demographics within the US prison population...Especially since social and environmental circumstances play such a large part in the making of a criminal...Just thinking out loud here... no, I welcome the discussion. Many people wonder about that very thing. But many are unaware of the actual demographics too. Currently the ratio is 38/58 percent black to white. So, the anomaly, if we expect all things to actually be equal (which they rarely naturally are) is why 12 percent of the population make up 38 percent of the prison population AND why 72 percent of the population make up 58 percent of the prison population there have been many theories from, disparate sentencing to rates of poverty and undereducation Its true that "social and environmental circumstances play such a large part in the making of a criminal" but its also true that politics and money plays a large role in INCARCERATING criminals,,, Of course what you say here fair, I didn't check the numbers you cited cause even if they are not exact, they sound close enough....It does not say a damn thing about what we are talking about though and based on my stance would most likely support the fact that corporal/physical punishment is not the best way, nor is it the answer to effectively teaching children right from wrong. By the way, using yourself as an example is does not substantiate anything you claim to be fact. For me, enough has been said on the subject because I feel I have made my feelings clear, it is simply wrong...Happy Saturday!! 
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My sentiments exactly. Nuff said for me too.
Don't hit your kids. 
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 11/05/11 03:27 PM
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I wont hit my kids,, but some cop might, or even taser or choke hold them in the future
but not likely , because I have DISCIPLINED them and taught them more unpleasant realities for them than just 'time outs' and 'no stuff' I wont 'hit' them, dont worry. I will continue to use spanking as a discipline though. AS it works for my family whose children have turned out much more respectful and well mannered than alot of the 'never spank your kids' bunch kids have from what I see with my own eyes,,, my feelings are likewise clear, do what works for YOUR family if they dont have bread and you can 'let them eat cake' do that but those who dont have cake in the first place,(or who may be diabetic) may choose different options
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msharmony
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Sat 11/05/11 03:34 PM
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more on how it benefits SOME children but not others
http://humansciences.okstate.edu/facultystaff/Larzelere/CritiqueStraus.html ** an interesting note is included about sweden "Since they outlawed parental spanking in 1979, child abuse has increased at least 4-fold and teenage violence has increased at least 6-fold. " |
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My sentiments exactly. Nuff said for me too. Don't hit your kids. Jeannie, has anyone told you they love you today?....Cause I do...I LOVE YOU BABY!!!! 
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I love you too Harmony,! 
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I love the girls of mingle too....lol
honestly cant think of one I dont care for,,, the guys are a different story,,lol |
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I love the girls of mingle too....lol honestly cant think of one I dont care for,,, the guys are a different story,,lol Don't tell me that, I'm here to shop!!!!!!!!!!  
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I love the girls of mingle too....lol honestly cant think of one I dont care for,,, the guys are a different story,,lol Don't tell me that, I'm here to shop!!!!!!!!!! lol, they cant all be keepers,,lol |
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I love the girls of mingle too....lol honestly cant think of one I dont care for,,, the guys are a different story,,lol Don't tell me that, I'm here to shop!!!!!!!!!! lol, they cant all be keepers,,lol Much better!!.........And I think you're right, lots of nice guys hanging out here!! 
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I love the girls of mingle too....lol honestly cant think of one I dont care for,,, the guys are a different story,,lol Don't tell me that, I'm here to shop!!!!!!!!!! lol, they cant all be keepers,,lol Much better!!.........And I think you're right, lots of nice guys hanging out here!! you arent joking so why do I just get foreign and underaged (under thirty)courters....? Im learning to be satisfied in the forums,, |
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I love the girls of mingle too....lol honestly cant think of one I dont care for,,, the guys are a different story,,lol Don't tell me that, I'm here to shop!!!!!!!!!! lol, they cant all be keepers,,lol Much better!!.........And I think you're right, lots of nice guys hanging out here!! you arent joking so why do I just get foreign and underaged (under thirty)courters....? Im learning to be satisfied in the forums,, I know, the young ones abound in email...Sometimes I think they are just curious, want to see if an older woman will take the bait! It cracks me up!! Ever been tempted to give them a dose of verbal foreplay? I always get this mental picture of 4 or 5 of them sitting around the computer screen, drinking beer and praying for a little excitement!
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I love the girls of mingle too....lol honestly cant think of one I dont care for,,, the guys are a different story,,lol Don't tell me that, I'm here to shop!!!!!!!!!! lol, they cant all be keepers,,lol Much better!!.........And I think you're right, lots of nice guys hanging out here!! you arent joking so why do I just get foreign and underaged (under thirty)courters....? Im learning to be satisfied in the forums,, I know, the young ones abound in email...Sometimes I think they are just curious, want to see if an older woman will take the bait! It cracks me up!! Ever been tempted to give them a dose of verbal foreplay? I always get this mental picture of 4 or 5 of them sitting around the computer screen, drinking beer and praying for a little excitement! lol.. I always think of them being on my sons facebook page,,or visiting,, EWWWWW |
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Jeanniebean
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My sentiments exactly. Nuff said for me too. Don't hit your kids. Jeannie, has anyone told you they love you today?....Cause I do...I LOVE YOU BABY!!!! No, not today! Thanks! I love you too! My father who has Alzheimer's told me thank you four times this morning instead of complaining. That's like "I love you" to me. |
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