Topic: Judge beats daughter
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Sat 11/05/11 04:19 PM







I love the girls of mingle too....lol

honestly cant think of one I dont care for,,,
flowerforyou

the guys are a different story,,lol


Don't tell me that, I'm here to shop!!!!!!!!!!drool

:wink:


lol, they cant all be keepers,,lol




Much better!!.........And I think you're right, lots of nice guys hanging out here!!:banana:



you arent joking

so why do I just get foreign and underaged (under thirty)courters....? laugh laugh laugh

Im learning to be satisfied in the forums,,


I know, the young ones abound in email...Sometimes I think they are just curious, want to see if an older woman will take the bait!laugh It cracks me up!! Ever been tempted to give them a dose of verbal foreplay? I always get this mental picture of 4 or 5 of them sitting around the computer screen, drinking beer and praying for a little excitement!rofl


lol.. I always think of them being on my sons facebook page,,or visiting,, EWWWWW


:laughing: Try this on for size, they remind me of my grandson, he's 18!!!surprised :laughing: :laughing:

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Sat 11/05/11 04:20 PM



My sentiments exactly. Nuff said for me too.

Don't hit your kids.

drinker


Jeannie, has anyone told you they love you today?....Cause I do...I LOVE YOU BABY!!!!flowerforyou :heart: flowerforyou


No, not today! Thanks! I love you too!

My father who has Alzheimer's told me thank you four times this morning instead of complaining. That's like "I love you" to me.


Awwww Jeannie, your daddy is lucky to have you!!flowerforyou :heart:

alookat101's photo
Sat 11/05/11 04:31 PM

Didnt approve of the language

otherwise, I found she was being quite dramatic for effect and take no issue with the parents spanking her.
There was no abuse by the father in this spanking of his child.., I think it was a control spanking not a out of control spanking. And she was being over dramatic.

Redykeulous's photo
Sat 11/05/11 05:57 PM
The ideals through which our society has developed include restricting law to the least level which will provide the greatest freedoms to individuals while protecting the rights of everyone.

Our first major issue is: – How do we, and how does the law, relate children to the word ‘everyone’?

Children are legally considered adults (in the U.S.) at the age of 18, however, there is a lot of ambiguity that surrounds the age. An 18 year old can still be considered part of a family so that many family benefits can still cover the adult as a child while allowing the parents to take tax exemptions for that adult’s maintenance under child care laws.

Also, there is the 1984 National Drinking age which is 21, though an 18 year old can vote and serve in wars. States have a lot of control over other issues regarding ‘legal’ age as in age for, consensual sex, marriage, leaving school and others.

This ambiguity plays havoc with parental rights and responsibilities. For example: what was the purpose behind the federal age of majority being set at 18? Why 21 to drink but in some states the age for consensual sex or marriage can be as young as 14?

We tend to have enough concern to voice loudly our disgust for the actions of some parents toward their children but we accept the ambiguities listed and many more.

As adults we all have the legal right to a living will including DNR (do not resuscitate) and the part about denying medical intervention. We have the right to transfer our care to another person (spouse, adult child, parent, or other).

A child, under the age of 18, is obviously a child whose health care is entrusted into the hands of the parent or legal guardian. Yet if that guardian refuses medical treatment for their child, for whatever reason, we are emotionally moved as to get a court order to deny parental rights.

We expect a parent to pay for property damage that their ‘child’ caused to a neighbor’s house while playing outside. Small claims court hears a lot of those cases and typically makes the parent responsible. But when a child as young as 9 kills another person, the parents are not responsible and the courts determines if the child will be held to adult standards or reprimanded to a state facility until a certain age.

CORPRAL PUNISHMENT: Now we have a huge dilemma because there is so much ambiguity about what is or is not excessive punishment? What is or is not acceptable behavior of a parent to his or her child? As parents, we can utilize corporal punishment but who determines the degree to which physical and psychological pain or damage is excessive?

I have seen children as young at 10 months old with piercings and I’ve seen children as young as 2 with tattoos. Is that humane? Might that cause psychological damage? Is that excessive pain that is intentionally inflicted or do we chalk that up to culture and allow it?

If a child is sick and a particularly religious parent prefers to pray instead of seeking medical treatment do others have the right to step in? If a parent choose a less harmful and invasive (alternative) form of cancer treatment for their child should the court have the right to override the parents decision? If a doctor declares a child who was placed on life support brain dead, should the parent have the right to pull the plug or do we entrust that decision to our courts? Did the parent have a right to deny the excessive life saving attempt from the beginning?

The arguments abound but there are answers.

First, we have to resolve the national ambiguities that have developed at the same institutionalized level as racism. Children have never been considered humans with a full spectrum of human rights, they have been considered only for their worth – in the workforce, to work for the benefit of the family, to vote, and to fight wars.

This will make it necessary for society to explicitly define human rights on many dimensions. If a human right includes the expectation of a safe and caring environment, we need to define what those things are because that applies to all humans whether child, adult, inmate or prisoner. Making exceptions in any case, causes us to consider one less than human.

If a well informed adult of sound mind has the ‘human’ right to sign over power of attorney for the execution of a living will, then we have to determine who harbors that responsibility for a child under the ‘considered’ legal age of adulthood.

If the parent/legal guardian has the right to make medical decisions for a child (under federal age of majority), it makes sense that the parent has the right to invoke corporal punishment which the law has determined is not excessive.

But we can’t get to what is excessive until we determine what rights every human is entitled to simply by the fact that the person is a human.

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Sat 11/05/11 08:42 PM
Red, that was an extremely well thought out post with a lot of good point to consider.

msharmony's photo
Sat 11/05/11 11:47 PM








I love the girls of mingle too....lol

honestly cant think of one I dont care for,,,
flowerforyou

the guys are a different story,,lol


Don't tell me that, I'm here to shop!!!!!!!!!!drool

:wink:


lol, they cant all be keepers,,lol




Much better!!.........And I think you're right, lots of nice guys hanging out here!!:banana:



you arent joking

so why do I just get foreign and underaged (under thirty)courters....? laugh laugh laugh

Im learning to be satisfied in the forums,,


I know, the young ones abound in email...Sometimes I think they are just curious, want to see if an older woman will take the bait!laugh It cracks me up!! Ever been tempted to give them a dose of verbal foreplay? I always get this mental picture of 4 or 5 of them sitting around the computer screen, drinking beer and praying for a little excitement!rofl


lol.. I always think of them being on my sons facebook page,,or visiting,, EWWWWW


:laughing: Try this on for size, they remind me of my grandson, he's 18!!!surprised :laughing: :laughing:



double ewwww,,,laugh

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Sat 11/12/11 09:41 PM
McALLEN, Texas— A Texas family law judge seen beating his older daughter in a video she posted on YouTube has been placed under a temporary restraining order, and his ex-wife's attorney said Friday it effectively prevents him from visiting his younger daughter.

Under the order issued Thursday by another judge, Aransas County Court-at-Law Judge William Adams is forbidden from visiting his 10-year-old daughter without getting permission from the girl's mother, his ex-wife. The order also says Adams can't disparage the woman or drink alcohol within 24 hours of seeing his chi

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/12/texas-judge-has-visits-with-daughter-limited/?test=latestnews#ixzz1dYrMWCCq

msharmony's photo
Sat 11/12/11 10:14 PM

McALLEN, Texas— A Texas family law judge seen beating his older daughter in a video she posted on YouTube has been placed under a temporary restraining order, and his ex-wife's attorney said Friday it effectively prevents him from visiting his younger daughter.

Under the order issued Thursday by another judge, Aransas County Court-at-Law Judge William Adams is forbidden from visiting his 10-year-old daughter without getting permission from the girl's mother, his ex-wife. The order also says Adams can't disparage the woman or drink alcohol within 24 hours of seeing his chi

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/12/texas-judge-has-visits-with-daughter-limited/?test=latestnews#ixzz1dYrMWCCq




Im not sure if thats best for the ten year old, hopefully the judge had information to determine that besides just the youtube video.

Ladylid2012's photo
Sat 11/12/11 10:17 PM

Didnt approve of the language

otherwise, I found she was being quite dramatic for effect and take no issue with the parents spanking her.


Ridiculous!!
Have YOU ever been whipped with a belt for 7 minutes?????

If that is a spanking to you and you do this to your children, you should be in jail!

msharmony's photo
Sat 11/12/11 10:19 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 11/12/11 10:22 PM


Didnt approve of the language

otherwise, I found she was being quite dramatic for effect and take no issue with the parents spanking her.


Ridiculous!!
Have YOU ever been whipped with a belt for 7 minutes?????

If that is a spanking to you and you do this to your children, you should be in jail!


double post,, corrected to RE WATCH the video

msharmony's photo
Sat 11/12/11 10:19 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 11/12/11 10:21 PM


Didnt approve of the language

otherwise, I found she was being quite dramatic for effect and take no issue with the parents spanking her.


Ridiculous!!
Have YOU ever been whipped with a belt for 7 minutes?????

If that is a spanking to you and you do this to your children, you should be in jail!


As I have posted before. I WATCHED the video. Although the video was 7 minutes long , the girl was actually spanked for just under twenty five seconds of it. and, yes, I have been spanked with a belt for twenty five seconds, with much fewer and shorter 'breaks'...

Ladylid2012's photo
Sat 11/12/11 10:42 PM

Six reasons not to hit your child...

1. Hitting models hitting...
2. Hitting devalues the child...
3. Hitting devalues the parent...
4. Hitting may lead to more serious abuse...
5. Hitting does not improve behavior...
6. Hitting promotes anger......

Please don't hit your children......

:heart:

:heart:

Hitting creates fear
Hitting destroys trust
Hitting hurts

I am therefore I think
NOT
I am therefore I hit

Those who feel the need to hit a child grossly underestimate the child's intelligence and ability to reason.
I'm saddened and disgusted. I've lost all respect.

boredinaz06's photo
Sat 11/12/11 10:54 PM


Six reasons not to hit your child...

1. Hitting models hitting...
2. Hitting devalues the child...
3. Hitting devalues the parent...
4. Hitting may lead to more serious abuse...
5. Hitting does not improve behavior...
6. Hitting promotes anger......

Please don't hit your children......

:heart:

:heart:

Hitting creates fear
Hitting destroys trust
Hitting hurts

I am therefore I think
NOT
I am therefore I hit

Those who feel the need to hit a child grossly underestimate the child's intelligence and ability to reason.
I'm saddened and disgusted. I've lost all respect.



There's a difference between beating/assault and discipline. I don't care what psychologists and child advocates say about it.

msharmony's photo
Sun 11/13/11 01:32 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 11/13/11 01:35 AM



Six reasons not to hit your child...

1. Hitting models hitting...
2. Hitting devalues the child...
3. Hitting devalues the parent...
4. Hitting may lead to more serious abuse...
5. Hitting does not improve behavior...
6. Hitting promotes anger......

Please don't hit your children......

:heart:

:heart:

Hitting creates fear
Hitting destroys trust
Hitting hurts

I am therefore I think
NOT
I am therefore I hit

Those who feel the need to hit a child grossly underestimate the child's intelligence and ability to reason.
I'm saddened and disgusted. I've lost all respect.



There's a difference between beating/assault and discipline. I don't care what psychologists and child advocates say about it.



truly, its not such a black and white issue

because I could THINK from an early age, I was able to discern the difference between angry and harmful hitting, slapping, punching, etc,,,, and the discipline of being spanked on my behind,,,

or between kidnapping/wrongful imprisonment, and a parent GROUNDING a child to their room

its alot more than JUST the action that determines how it should be defined,,,

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Sun 11/13/11 03:51 AM

The ideals through which our society has developed include restricting law to the least level which will provide the greatest freedoms to individuals while protecting the rights of everyone.

Our first major issue is: – How do we, and how does the law, relate children to the word ‘everyone’?

Children are legally considered adults (in the U.S.) at the age of 18, however, there is a lot of ambiguity that surrounds the age. An 18 year old can still be considered part of a family so that many family benefits can still cover the adult as a child while allowing the parents to take tax exemptions for that adult’s maintenance under child care laws.

Also, there is the 1984 National Drinking age which is 21, though an 18 year old can vote and serve in wars. States have a lot of control over other issues regarding ‘legal’ age as in age for, consensual sex, marriage, leaving school and others.

This ambiguity plays havoc with parental rights and responsibilities. For example: what was the purpose behind the federal age of majority being set at 18? Why 21 to drink but in some states the age for consensual sex or marriage can be as young as 14?

We tend to have enough concern to voice loudly our disgust for the actions of some parents toward their children but we accept the ambiguities listed and many more.

As adults we all have the legal right to a living will including DNR (do not resuscitate) and the part about denying medical intervention. We have the right to transfer our care to another person (spouse, adult child, parent, or other).

A child, under the age of 18, is obviously a child whose health care is entrusted into the hands of the parent or legal guardian. Yet if that guardian refuses medical treatment for their child, for whatever reason, we are emotionally moved as to get a court order to deny parental rights.

We expect a parent to pay for property damage that their ‘child’ caused to a neighbor’s house while playing outside. Small claims court hears a lot of those cases and typically makes the parent responsible. But when a child as young as 9 kills another person, the parents are not responsible and the courts determines if the child will be held to adult standards or reprimanded to a state facility until a certain age.

CORPRAL PUNISHMENT: Now we have a huge dilemma because there is so much ambiguity about what is or is not excessive punishment? What is or is not acceptable behavior of a parent to his or her child? As parents, we can utilize corporal punishment but who determines the degree to which physical and psychological pain or damage is excessive?

I have seen children as young at 10 months old with piercings and I’ve seen children as young as 2 with tattoos. Is that humane? Might that cause psychological damage? Is that excessive pain that is intentionally inflicted or do we chalk that up to culture and allow it?

If a child is sick and a particularly religious parent prefers to pray instead of seeking medical treatment do others have the right to step in? If a parent choose a less harmful and invasive (alternative) form of cancer treatment for their child should the court have the right to override the parents decision? If a doctor declares a child who was placed on life support brain dead, should the parent have the right to pull the plug or do we entrust that decision to our courts? Did the parent have a right to deny the excessive life saving attempt from the beginning?

The arguments abound but there are answers.

First, we have to resolve the national ambiguities that have developed at the same institutionalized level as racism. Children have never been considered humans with a full spectrum of human rights, they have been considered only for their worth – in the workforce, to work for the benefit of the family, to vote, and to fight wars.

This will make it necessary for society to explicitly define human rights on many dimensions. If a human right includes the expectation of a safe and caring environment, we need to define what those things are because that applies to all humans whether child, adult, inmate or prisoner. Making exceptions in any case, causes us to consider one less than human.

If a well informed adult of sound mind has the ‘human’ right to sign over power of attorney for the execution of a living will, then we have to determine who harbors that responsibility for a child under the ‘considered’ legal age of adulthood.

If the parent/legal guardian has the right to make medical decisions for a child (under federal age of majority), it makes sense that the parent has the right to invoke corporal punishment which the law has determined is not excessive.

But we can’t get to what is excessive until we determine what rights every human is entitled to simply by the fact that the person is a human.



I don't know if we accept the ambiguities or if "good parents" just keep getting stuck with them.... I have always maintained that children have ONLY the rights we , as adults and parents, give them!....
The ambiguity you speak of began, in many cases, when parents stopped parenting......Moms went to work out of necessity and out of desire, designer drugs became acceptable and affordable, single parenting became the "norm", information about everything was attainable by children and adults at the push of a button in most households....
Children have and always will be considered human Red.....Adults who decide to have them are or should be aware of the responsibilities ( and laws) that come with their decision...Laws that prohibit children from drinking, driving, marrying, voting, etc until they reach a certain have a place and they make sense for obvious reasons....I do agree, they should be uniform state to state, but the breakdown comes from irresponsible parenting, not ridiculous laws......

Ladylid2012's photo
Sun 11/13/11 04:00 AM



Six reasons not to hit your child...

1. Hitting models hitting...
2. Hitting devalues the child...
3. Hitting devalues the parent...
4. Hitting may lead to more serious abuse...
5. Hitting does not improve behavior...
6. Hitting promotes anger......

Please don't hit your children......

:heart:

:heart:

Hitting creates fear
Hitting destroys trust
Hitting hurts

I am therefore I think
NOT
I am therefore I hit

Those who feel the need to hit a child grossly underestimate the child's intelligence and ability to reason.
I'm saddened and disgusted. I've lost all respect.



There's a difference between beating/assault and discipline. I don't care what psychologists and child advocates say about it.


I don't consider what this couple was doing to their child as discipline...it is child abuse!!

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Sun 11/13/11 04:05 AM
Ya know, I get a little pizzed with all this sidestepping and assigning blame! You want to be a parent, then be one!..Know what it involves, take full responsibility, be a parent, be the best parent you can be! And until you, as a parent, have taught and provided YOUR child with ALL the tools necessary to become a responsible adult, protect and nurture YOUR child!....AND, you cannot do that by beating them senseless!

OK, I'm done now!!:laughing:

:heart:

Ladylid2012's photo
Sun 11/13/11 04:17 AM
I'm just shocked that anyone would consider this form of abuse as 'discipline'. Have we not evolved at all?
Most are so screwed up from their own abuse they don;t know how to break the cycle. It's difficult to even admit that maybe, just maybe our parents were doing it wrong...even harder to come to terms that we may be screwing up our own children.
Denial is always easier.

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Sun 11/13/11 04:23 AM

I'm just shocked that anyone would consider this form of abuse as 'discipline'. Have we not evolved at all?
Most are so screwed up from their own abuse they don;t know how to break the cycle. It's difficult to even admit that maybe, just maybe our parents were doing it wrong...even harder to come to terms that we may be screwing up our own children.
Denial is always easier.


Here, here!! and very well said!!flowerforyou

:thumbsup:

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Sun 11/13/11 04:31 AM



Didnt approve of the language

otherwise, I found she was being quite dramatic for effect and take no issue with the parents spanking her.


Ridiculous!!
Have YOU ever been whipped with a belt for 7 minutes?????

If that is a spanking to you and you do this to your children, you should be in jail!


As I have posted before. I WATCHED the video. Although the video was 7 minutes long , the girl was actually spanked for just under twenty five seconds of it. and, yes, I have been spanked with a belt for twenty five seconds, with much fewer and shorter 'breaks'...


But Harmony, in between the "hits" with the belts (both mother and fathers hit her), both parents were verbally abusing her....How many times did you count the "F" word? How many times was she called stupid, threatened with banishment from her home? I can only imagine the fear and hatred that 16 year old girl was feeling...And what an age to hit and humiliate a teenage girl!...I can still remember all the crazy emotions I felt when I was sixteen...The vid depicts child abuse, blatant child abuse.....